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Re: Why against cross breeds?

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But some of us love crosses, so should we also not be allowed to continue breeding?
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Re: Why against cross breeds?

If in a future world, they stop all breeding of pedigree breeds then they will just die out as breeds, to be replaced by a free for all of an assortment of basically mongrels, if there is no KC registration and noting of pedigrees.

In this credit crunch I do believe that all breeding should be curtailed until the recession improves and people are more able to care for the dogs they have, whether pedigree or crosses.

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But some of us love crosses, so should we also not be allowed to continue breeding?
Back to the "I just want to" reason for breeding dogs which these days I feel is very selfish and uncaring. It is saying "I have homes for my pups so I care not one jot for those in rescue."
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Old 30-10-2009, 08:38 PM
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Re: Why against cross breeds?

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I havent read anything about champions on this thread yet and i find mostly BYB bang on about champions in the dogs lines to be able to cash in more on the pups ....
Ive actually read about 3 people today in other threads going on about champions etc.

I didnt mean in this thread, just in general and in real life. Like it somehow makes their dog far more superior to my lowly mongrel.

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All dogs are the same worthy as pets, but to maintain good health and good conformation its obvious that only healthy dogs without any major faults should be bred from.... and thats for pure bred or cross bred...
I dont think all dogs are worthy in the eyes of some people. And faults according to who? The breed clubs?
For people like myself, breed standards mean nothing. I dont think all of them have the dogs best interests at heart.
Id also know who writes them, why they get changed (and they do - maybe not often, but nearly all breeds standards have changed since breeds were recognised), for what purpose and how they benefit the dog and its health/movement/general physical wellbeing.

There very much is a case of "my dog is better than yours" in some instances.

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I dont think its bad people want to improve on certain things, its their aim .... there are things to improve as perfect dogs dont excist ....
I dont like the word improve. I think they want to obtain the perfect dog according to a standard. I think whats best for the dog sometimes gets pushed to the side.
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Re: Why against cross breeds?

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If in a future world, they stop all breeding of pedigree breeds then they will just die out as breeds, to be replaced by a free for all of an assortment of basically mongrels, if there is no KC registration and noting of pedigrees.

In this credit crunch I do believe that all breeding should be curtailed until the recession improves and people are more able to care for the dogs they have, whether pedigree or crosses.



Back to the "I just want to" reason for breeding dogs which these days I feel is very selfish and uncaring. I have homes for my pups so I care not one jot for those in rescue.

Sorry, I forgot I need to put minute detail to avoid anyone deliberatey misconstruing my posts.

A poster above, on my suggestion that maybe no breeding (inlcuding KC registered) should take place, replied saying that the "breeds we love" would soon cease to exists. If "we love" is a reason to to breed KC registered dogs then why should it not be a reason for crossbreeding?

I did not mention "pedigree" as my crosses have pedigrees and I did not wish the issue to be confused.
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Re: Why against cross breeds?

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so my question was, do you apply this to KC registered as well as crossbreeds?
I would apply the same standards, yes - but I have to accept that breeders of Kc reg dogs will continue to breed and maybe they should? I for one would be sorry to see lots of breeds disappear although there are a few that in my opinion, should.

Breeding while the rescues are in crisis is a selfish thing to do but some people breed dogs as a hobby - thats what the dog show-world ultimately is and that's how they get their kicks. If the Kc reg breeders continue to breed their show-dogs and are permitted to sell non-show quality excess pups then I don't have a huge problem with them continuing but only when they need a pup for their own purposes and always take full responsibility for the dogs they breed.

I do have a problem with people breeding pets whether pedigree or cross-breeding at the moment as it can only be for money I do not for the life of me understand how someone can put out a litter of pups when there are young, healthy and well-behaved dogs being put to sleep.
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Sorry, I forgot I need to put minute detail to avoid anyone deliberatey misconstruing my posts.

A poster above, on my suggestion that maybe no breeding (inlcuding KC registered) should take place, replied saying that the "breeds we love" would soon cease to exists. If "we love" is a reason to to breed KC registered dogs then why should it not be a reason for crossbreeding?

I did not mention "pedigree" as my crosses have pedigrees and I did not wish the issue to be confused.
I also put crosses in brackets if you didn't notice!
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I also put crosses in brackets if you didn't notice!
Sorry, you did indeed, my apologies.
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Sorry, you did indeed, my apologies.
Thanks, don't want anyone to think I'm prejudice, got 2 crosses myself
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Ive actually read about 3 people today in other threads going on about champions etc.

I didnt mean in this thread, just in general and in real life. Like it somehow makes their dog far more superior to my lowly mongrel.
I dont know, i find i only read it if people advertise their litters and often unhealth tested BUT champions in their lines

I dont think all dogs are worthy in the eyes of some people. And faults according to who? The breed clubs?
so u would breed a dog with cow hocks? Or a dog with an undershot or overshot jaw? A dog with heredertity missing teeth? etc etc etc

For people like myself, breed standards mean nothing. I dont think all of them have the dogs best interests at heart.
Breed standards have their place and because they are open to interpretation there are those who take things too far and breed to exageration but those i personally dont class as responsible

Id also know who writes them, why they get changed (and they do - maybe not often, but nearly all breeds standards have changed since breeds were recognised), for what purpose and how they benefit the dog and its health/movement/general physical wellbeing.


There very much is a case of "my dog is better than yours" in some instances.

Im sure it sometimes is the case ... i dont deny it... there are people with their noses a bit too high up but people are all different and i find in real life i see people with the popular crosses walking about with their noses even higher up than those of pedigrees ...

I dont like the word improve. I think they want to obtain the perfect dog according to a standard. I think whats best for the dog sometimes gets pushed to the side.
to me improve is to breed out any small faults like for instance the length of a tail (i know silly example lol) or improve on breed traits such as confidence or the ability to retrieve etc etc

it would be worse if people wouldnt put any thoughts at all when breeding and just putting 2 dogs together because they can to create companions where there is an overflow of companions out there already and the numbers are rising .... and again this is for both cross and pure bred
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Re: Why against cross breeds?

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so u would breed a dog with cow hocks? Or a dog with an undershot or overshot jaw? A dog with heredertity missing teeth? etc etc etc
Of course not. But some things that are considered faults are just plain petty imo.

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to me improve is to breed out any small faults like for instance the length of a tail (i know silly example lol) or improve on breed traits such as confidence or the ability to retrieve etc etc

it would be worse if people wouldnt put any thoughts at all when breeding and just putting 2 dogs together because they can to create companions where there is an overflow of companions out there already and the numbers are rising .... and again this is for both cross and pure bred
I think we pretty much agree. The same rules should apply, regardless as to whether the dogs are cross or pure breeds.

Theres an overflow of dogs full stop. I think its unfair that crosses take the brunt and blame.
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