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Old 21-05-2008, 09:28 PM
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hi was thinking about breeding my dachshund bitch in her second season, she is not kc registered but is a pedigree. I only want to breed her as i have 4 sisters and a mother who all want pups, obviously i will have to do a lot of reading up on it and look for for a stud as she is only four and a half month old, but just wondered what peoples views were on non kc mating.
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Old 21-05-2008, 09:39 PM
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Re: Breeding from a non kc registered bitch.

I don't believe in mating non KC reg bitches.

Breeding for the reason given is not a good enough reason to be breeding in all honesty.
All Breeders should be breeding to improve the breed,to show or work.Your family may say they want pups now,but what happens if they change their minds and this does happen.

You can loose a bitch and all pups if whelping gets complicated,what if the bitch rejects her pups can you hand rear,this means feeding puppies every 2 hours day & night.
Can you cope with complications,stillborn pups,pups that have defects that need putting to sleep etc....
Believe me breeding is not simple,it's hardwork,very tiring and at times downright heartbreaking.
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Re: Breeding from a non kc registered bitch.

Agree with all the above and would also like to add this :- Most Dach owners who will have nice stud boys wont let you use them due to your girl not being KC Reg.....the studs available for you to use would probably be of bad standard.
Tell your relatives to buy one from a good breeder who health check etc
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Old 22-05-2008, 06:56 AM
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Re: Breeding from a non kc registered bitch.

sorry but i disagree. i think if you only want them as pets and you have no intention of showing your dog, there's nothing wrong with it not being kc reg.
1 of my toy poodles is not reg. but he is pedigree.
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Old 22-05-2008, 07:43 AM
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Re: Breeding from a non kc registered bitch.

I agree with other posts I'm afraid and also your bitch might only be just over a year old on her 2nd season which is far too young to be breeding her. She should be at least 2 and also be health tested before it is even considered.
I would suggest that your family members go to a responsible breeder to get a puppy.
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Old 22-05-2008, 07:53 AM
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sorry but i disagree. i think if you only want them as pets and you have no intention of showing your dog, there's nothing wrong with it not being kc reg.
1 of my toy poodles is not reg. but he is pedigree.
All KC Reg dogs from good reputable Breeders are sold as pets first and foremost,any dog can have a pedigree,it doesn't mean they are purebred.

By breeding from a Non KC Registered Dog,you can't trace it's history,or possibly know what health conditions hereditary or otherwise are within those lines.

Potential health problems can include,
Intervertebral disc disease

Epilepsy

Entropion (the inversion, or turning inward, of the border of the eyelid against the eyeball)

Gastric Torsion

Patellar Luxation ( The patella, or kneecap, is part of the stifle joint (knee). In patellar luxation, the kneecap luxates, or pops out of place )

These conditions can all be passed on through breeding.


UN-REGISTERED PUPPIES

Some people think that they will save some money and buy a cheaper unregistered puppy. Don’t fall into this trap. You might as well get a cross breed, free to good home.

Without KC registration you have no proof that the puppies are in fact from pedigree parents, they may look pedigree at 8 weeks to an inexperienced buyer and then grow into a dog that is obviously a cross breed. Those that do not register are probably breeding from over age bitches (bitches should not have puppies after their eighth birthday without KC permission, which is rarely given). Also a bitch owner may not register more than one litter a year from her, which is an excellent new ruling.

Those that don’t register puppies can breed from their bitch every six months without a break, which is appalling practise. It also means they can breed as often as they like and from as many bitches as they like without having to have their premises inspected or be licensed and the conditions are likely to be very poor. This sort of breeder is only motivated by making money and cares nothing for their dogs or the future of their breed, whatever they may say or whatever excuses they give.

Don’t be conned! If you want a pedigree puppy get a registered one, if you want a cross breed, get one from rescue.

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Re: Breeding from a non kc registered bitch.

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All KC Reg dogs from good reputable Breeders are sold as pets first and foremost,any dog can have a pedigree,it doesn't mean they are purebred.

By breeding from a Non KC Registered Dog,you can't trace it's history,or possibly know what health conditions hereditary or otherwise are within those lines.

Potential health problems can include,
Intervertebral disc disease

Epilepsy

Entropion (the inversion, or turning inward, of the border of the eyelid against the eyeball)

Gastric Torsion

Patellar Luxation ( The patella, or kneecap, is part of the stifle joint (knee). In patellar luxation, the kneecap luxates, or pops out of place )

These conditions can all be passed on through breeding.

I agree with Sallyanne on this I would NEVER allow an unregistered bitch be brought to my dog as you have no history, the litter of welsh springers that I have here at the moment because of breed health problems we did a 10 generation pedigree it is the only way to TRY and eradicate any future health problems and breeding from stock with no history is not going to help your breed in the future.

It costs the same to feed a puppy bought from kc registered, health tested parents but hopefully will cost a lot less in vets bills and heartache from one with no history.
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Re: Breeding from a non kc registered bitch.

I'm sorry but you can have a hystory of your bitch if she is not registered, I do with my girl, it might be the case the majority of the time it isnt always. I know my girls family my eldest dog (14 years ) is from the same line as her, and BC they havent been a KC breed for that long and many of them are unregistered but have a full hystory and are in good health and are top quality healthy friendly dogs
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Re: Breeding from a non kc registered bitch.

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I'm sorry but you can have a hystory of your bitch if she is not registered, I do with my girl, it might be the case the majority of the time it isnt always. I know my girls family my eldest dog (14 years ) is from the same line as her, and BC they havent been a KC breed for that long and many of them are unregistered but have a full hystory and are in good health and are top quality healthy friendly dogs
i must say,,,i have brought puppies without KC papers before,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe im just lucky,,but they were healthy dogs all there lives,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: Breeding from a non kc registered bitch.

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I'm sorry but you can have a hystory of your bitch if she is not registered, I do with my girl, it might be the case the majority of the time it isnt always. I know my girls family my eldest dog (14 years ) is from the same line as her, and BC they havent been a KC breed for that long and many of them are unregistered but have a full hystory and are in good health and are top quality healthy friendly dogs
Of course you can but how do you know it's accurate,how do you know nothing else has gone into the bloodlines,what about health testing,as there are again health issues within the BC Breed.
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