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Old 07-04-2009, 08:41 AM
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Re: Can any1 help im looking to breed my bitch but she wont stand! :(

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Just to follow you up with this, if Skye is now three (going from your age) then it might be wise to think about having her spayed for her own health within the next couple of years. Entire bitches can be at risk from health problems later on in life, and unless you know you are going to have the time and money to dedicate towards planning and taking a litter, then you need to think about doing the best for Skye.

Bear in mind, unless you get specific insurance for breeding, you will definitely need to have the cash to hand in case of a large vet bill. The costs for health checking for a Labrador Retriever are at a minimum approx £250, and if you take the responsible route by testing for the recommended health checks, then you will pay over £400 in total. Setting up with all the equipment for whelping (box, vet bed, heat lamp, etc, etc) will set you back over £1,000. Breeding responsibly is certainly not a quick way to make money, more of a quick way to burn it

Another thing to bear in mind is that there were over 55,000 Labrador Retriever pups registered with the KC last year (that figure does not include puppy farmers, back yard breeders etc who don't register their litters with the KC), you need to know you will be able to find good homes for all the pups. You may have a litter ranging from as little as one or two, to over ten pups, and should any problems arise with the new puppy owners, as a responsible breeder you need to be able to take those pups back.

I'm not sure why you want to breed, but the reason a lot of people state for breeding is that they want to get another dog/bitch just like theirs, unfortunately this is not how it works. The best way to get another dog just like yours, is to go back and buy from the same, or similar, breeding, and even then you are not at all guaranteed to get two peas in a pod. I have two half sisters, and they have their similarities, but also their differences.
i agree with this post Rhi if you want to breed responsibly both dogs must have the relevant health tests, & i personally wouldnt breed a maiden bitch much later than 4yrs
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Re: Can any1 help im looking to breed my bitch but she wont stand! :(

oo ryt ok :/ seems like i have to make a decision then. Thank you. I think i will have a chat with my mum when she comes home from work and see what would be best. Do you think i should get her spayed or wait untill her next season which is around november to breed her?? Do you think we would have gained enough knowledge by then??
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Re: Can any1 help im looking to breed my bitch but she wont stand! :(

Hi, sounds as though your being sensible and researching properly into it. can i ask a question? just wondering why you want to breed this litter? is skye a show or working dog who particularly excels at what she does? does she have anything to offer the breed in general. theres so many unwanted dogs just now, and i know of a lot of people who are struggling to sell puppies (and some of these are top breeders who show/work and health test all their dogs)
my aunt bred a litter last year, there was 6 puppies, and it ended up being a nightmare. people pulled out of her waiting lost, she ended up with 2 left, until they were almost 5months old, she was having to soclialise them, take them to puppy classes, eventually found homes for them, and has only 2 weeks ago got a puppy back as it has developed a mouth fault and it had been sold as show potential, shes now re-advertising her. its a lot of work, and heartache potentially.
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Old 07-04-2009, 09:17 AM
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Re: Can any1 help im looking to breed my bitch but she wont stand! :(

I understand that the third season is the best time to breed - that of course is assuming that the bitch is 2 years old or over!
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong anyone.
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Re: Can any1 help im looking to breed my bitch but she wont stand! :(

Sorry but I haven't read the whole thread, and I don't want to come across as patronising, but at 16 years old do you really think you are ready to raise a litter of puppies? I know I certainly wasn't at that age. I am 30 now and have been researching breeding for just under 2 years. I hope to eventually breed in the future, but as neither of my current dogs are excellent specimens of their breed I will have to wait until I am in a better postition to start looking for that "perfect" puppy to hopefully breed from in time, so I know that is many years off for me, and gives me plenty of time to do all the research I can.

Is Skye hip scored? Something which is essesntial in the Lab breed with their history of Hip Dysplasia

What happens if Skye has a huge litter, or rejects her puppies, or the very worst happens and she dies during welping? Are you in a position to hand rear the pups, feeding them every couple of hours, 24 hours a day? Can you cope with the possibilty of loseing some pups? Will you be able to offer prospective owners a life time of support for any puppies that are born? Including in the unfortunate event that any puppies need a new home, at any point in their life time they can come back to you? Say your puppies all live to about 12 years old, can you hand on heart say you are still available if needed at the age of 28? I know my life drastically changed during those years, and I have friends that in those years now live in a completely different country so would be unable to help.

And finally, you only have to check the KC figures for Labradors born every year, they are consistantly on the top of the list with literally thousands registered every year, so there really is no shortage of labs about.

Sorry I don't sound enthusiastic, but I do think it all needs to be said. I have had exactly the same questions asked of me, and many more, by Dalmatian breeders I have been contacting in my research to one day breed Dals myself, so they really aren't unreasonable questions to anyone, at any age, considering breeding.
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Re: Can any1 help im looking to breed my bitch but she wont stand! :(

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all dogs are different
i dont think it sounds like you have a clue what your doing
think i would give breeding a miss
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Re: Can any1 help im looking to breed my bitch but she wont stand! :(

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oo ryt ok :/ seems like i have to make a decision then. Thank you. I think i will have a chat with my mum when she comes home from work and see what would be best. Do you think i should get her spayed or wait untill her next season which is around november to breed her?? Do you think we would have gained enough knowledge by then??
Personally, unless you can get the minimum health tests done - hip scoring and current clear eye certificate which needs to be valid at mating - as well as do the research AND buy in all you will need for whelping (including having cash put to one side for emergencies), then I would look to get Skye spayed midway between seasons, and put this one down to experience. The current clear eye certificate is the cheaper of those two btw, so the one most would recommend you get done first, if you decide to go ahead. If you don't health test, you have to ask yourself why go ahead when there are already so many breeders of Labrador Retrievers who do, and quite a few of those (including well known and reputable breeders) are thinking twice about breeding in the current credit crunch. And, you need to prepared to make the responsible decision should any health test results come back that mean your girl isn't suitable to be bred from.

If you're interested in breeding Labradors, or any breed, I would look to research it more thoroughly over the next few years, look at what you want to breed and why? Research lines that you like, and look to find someone experienced that will help mentor you. If you're interested in showing, or working dogs, then look into those different breeding lines, and see what you want from your foundation bitch, and where you want to go with her.

For me, I love my Chocolate Labs, and what have I got in Tau, my foundation bitch? I've got a very healthy girl, I've spent over £400 on health testing, that's hip and elbow scores, current clear eye cert, Centronuclear Myopathy and the only one I haven't paid for is the optigen PRA as she is clear by parentage ie both her parents were tested clear. I also love training and hope to work/compete with my Labradors, but unfortunately there ain't that many good proven working Chocolates out there, let alone good proven working Chocolate stud dogs; so this is something I hope to build on over several years, and my first litter(s) may not have any chocolate pups in them, but they will carry chocolate on to the next generation. I may make little or no impact on the Labrador Retriever breeding pool, but I have a good start and I have a direction to go in. That's something you will need to decide as well.
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Re: Can any1 help im looking to breed my bitch but she wont stand! :(

I have been asked these questions previously and the answer is I will be able to be here if anything goes wrong during the pregnancy or whelping. I am not breeding Skye on my own, i am merely researching breeding with my mother before we try again i appreciate you asking me these questions and i know they are definately reseaonable questions to ask anyone who is thinking of breeding. My mother is 37 and is settled down into a comfortable situation in her life so she will be able to except any puppies that might be given back. I will not be going through the process of breeding Skye without my mother to help and guide me and without knowing all of the risks and responsibilities of having a successfull breeding. I plan on taking Skye to the vet asap to get her all the nessecary health checks she needs, even if i decide not to breed her.
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Re: Can any1 help im looking to breed my bitch but she wont stand! :(

1st Get yourself a mentor, someone who has been in the breed for a long time

2nd Research what health tests your bitch needs and get them done

3rd Stand back and consider is this what you really want, you know you could lose your bitch if things went wrong, why do you want her to have pups ?

4th Make sure you have enough money put away for expensive vet bills if needed

5th Please understand its not all about cute fluffy puppies, could you take 2 3 weeks old pups to be PTS when you realise that they have a defect, they will be on their feet, eyes open and proper little puppies ? Not trying to scare you but this is what I've had to do

If after all this it's something you still want to do then good luck
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Re: Can any1 help im looking to breed my bitch but she wont stand! :(

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I have been asked these questions previously and the answer is I will be able to be here if anything goes wrong during the pregnancy or whelping. I am not breeding Skye on my own, i am merely researching breeding with my mother before we try again i appreciate you asking me these questions and i know they are definately reseaonable questions to ask anyone who is thinking of breeding. My mother is 37 and is settled down into a comfortable situation in her life so she will be able to except any puppies that might be given back. I will not be going through the process of breeding Skye without my mother to help and guide me and without knowing all of the risks and responsibilities of having a successfull breeding. I plan on taking Skye to the vet asap to get her all the nessecary health checks she needs, even if i decide not to breed her.

Unless you're extremely lucky it is unlikely your vet will be able to carry out the test required for her to hold a current clear eye cert. You may have to travel quite some distance to one who does.

Also, as regards hip and elbow scoring, you can use your own vet, but if they are unsure of how to take the x-rays this can make a difference to the outcome of the scores awarded by the BVA after submitting them. I think they are on the verge of accepting digital plates, but am not sure how this works as mine were done the old fashioned way. And the appeal procedure isn't that easy.

You definitely need to find a mentor experienced in breeding, I wouldn't go it alone with just you and your Mum, and you also need to ensure that mentor has, or helps to find you the right stud dog - putting two dogs together and leaving them just isn't on, anything can and sometimes does happen.

Can I ask why you want to breed from Skye?
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