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Old 30-07-2012, 03:44 AM
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Male not interested in female in heat?

Hello all, and thank you in advance for any help. This is my problem, i have a total of three dogs in my house. One female chocolate lab (in heat) at roughly 3 1/2 years, one Male chocolate lab about 2 years and a male Shihtzu which is about 10 months, none of which are fixed. Obviously I want to breed the labs, my male and female have been together aprox. 6 months. She has been in the family her whole life, for the first couple months they did have the whole domince thing going on. We moved about 4 months ago and since moving it seems obvious that he has taken the role as her and the Shihtzu both "bow" to him in a sense. So since day one he has tried and depending her mood he could try, or she would growl. When she would just let him he seemed to be able to get her by one leg only. Now that she is in heat she "flirts" with him as far as even pawing him when he's laying down and putting her butt in his face. But he sniffs and ignores it. Now the Shihtzu on the other hand started trying so we keep him separate for the time being. I know my male ain't fixed but can't figure out why he don't want her when she wants it, but does when she don't?
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Old 30-07-2012, 05:51 AM
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Re: Male not interested in female in heat?

Firstly have both of your labs had the relevant health tests for the breed?If not then you shouldnt breed from them
secondly,what day of her season is she on,females will usually only let a male mate her at certain times.
do you have breeding experience?
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Re: Male not interested in female in heat?

Both dogs have always had their check ups, shots, ect. At the local vet. Last visit was about three months ago, we did let him know that we were very interested in breeding them. He said health, heights, and weights were great. He did tell us breeding two virgins could be a headache and that possible neither dog might not know what to do. As the case is she very much wants it to happen but he acts as if he could care less but last month she couldn't keep him off of her. And no this is my first time breeding.

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Old 30-07-2012, 06:09 AM
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Re: Male not interested in female in heat?

There is a difference between health checks and health tests. Labs need tests to see if they are carrying genetic issues, and need hip xrays to check they aren't suffering from hip displaysia (sp?)
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Old 30-07-2012, 06:38 AM
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Re: Male not interested in female in heat?

I understand what you are saying, and have found some info on it and will look further into that and get it done ASAP. But do you have any knowledge into the problem I am actually facing? I understand the risk of the correct tests, and Will proceed with getting that done. Both dogs are AKC and come from great bloodlines fathers bloodline was highly used for duck hunting by a family who would breed and train duck dogs then sell them. I know this doesn't make it safe for either of them but will still do it to be safe. I can see that you are knowledgable on dog breeding but as into how many people do you think actually do this? I am aware of it now and appreciate it, I care for my dogs as much as my children and absolutely do not want bad results.
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Re: Male not interested in female in heat?

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Both dogs have always had their check ups, shots, ect. At the local vet. Last visit was about three months ago, we did let him know that we were very interested in breeding them. He said health, heights, and weights were great. He did tell us breeding two virgins could be a headache and that possible neither dog might not know what to do. As the case is she very much wants it to happen but he acts as if he could care less but last month she couldn't keep him off of her. And no this is my first time breeding.
NO not check ups and shots

Both dogs should be AT LEAST Hipscored and have current clear eye certificates.

More info on Hipscoring
Information on Hip Scoring for Labradors from Labrador Health by John Weller

Current Clear Eye certificate
Information on Eye-testing certificates for Labradors

One of them really should be genetically clear for PRA, checked through blood tests
Information on Optigen testing for Labradors

These are the absolute MINIMUM that should be done before you breed.

I also elbow score mine and DNA test them for CNM - my eldest boy is also DNA tested clear for EIC.

Information on the Elbow Scoring Scheme from lab health

Please DO NOT breed these dogs without at least doing the basic health-tests and getting reasonable results on hips and clear eye certs for both dogs.

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It is disappointing but not surprising that your vet isn't informed on the correct health-tests.

Also - dogs shouldn't be left to mate - they should be separated when she is in season and brought together under close supervision when she is ready (often only determined through using some form of pre-mate testing)

Dogs can and have suffered horrendous injuries (and even died) during mating both supervised and unsupervised.

You need to ensure that you have the money on hand for a c-section - which could run as high as 2K if needed out of hours.

You should be prepared to hand raise a litter if needs be in case mum dies during whelping, or rejects the pups.

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Invest in a copy of the Book of the Bitch

The Book of the Bitch: A Complete Guide to Understanding and Caring for Bitches [Book]

Get your dogs health-tested - THEN try mating them - find yourself an experienced mentor who can guide and support you from before the mating through to whelping, raising and homing the pups and beyond.

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ETA - Although the site I have shown you is British - the principles and the tests required are the same - although US breeders generally do even more tests before breeding than other locations.

As neither dog has had any health-tests, the answer to your question should be immaterial - as you are going to have to leave them at least another season in order to give you time to get the tests done.

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Re: Male not interested in female in heat?

Sounds like your female isnt ready to be mated. My Stud wont even attempt to mate before day 10 of a season.

Your female is just flirting and being a maiden bitch doesnt have a clue of what she is up to.

You need to take Swarthys advice re testing etc. I dont believe you will get better advice so please use the info wisely for your dogs and any potential puppies health and welfare
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Re: Male not interested in female in heat?

You need hip and elbow score testing, via your vet! Your vet should of told you this when you mentioned breeding.
This is either a wind-up or you have a crap vet.
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Re: Male not interested in female in heat?

I think the OP is from the states, I've never heard anyone refer to 'duck dogs' in the UK. So the health tests will be slightly different to ours, they don't use the BVA hip scores and elbow grading.
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Re: Male not interested in female in heat?

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I think the OP is from the states, I've never heard anyone refer to 'duck dogs' in the UK. So the health tests will be slightly different to ours, they don't use the BVA hip scores and elbow grading.
really i never knew that.
what state are there dogs in then!!!
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