Hello

Im new to this particular forum. So firstly, hello.

I feel the need to post on here so strongly! Im just your everyday nobody but i need to express my opinion. I browse other forums regulary and i have some contact with rescues although due to work commitments i cant do much to help them.

You love dogs right? Otherwise, why do you have dogs if you dont love them? You must care about dogs?

To anybody considering breeding from their dog whether a champion best of breed winner, a fabulous dog with a great temperament, a dog with great looks, a prize winner in any way, a working dog, your best friend, maybe just even your pet, please PLEASE have another think about it.
Rescues are full to the brim right now and not with the old ''passed it'' dogs. Young 6/8/12 weeks maybe even younger puppies are in there! There are so many wanting to be handed in with simply no space. Puppies that have been there looking for homes for weeks. These dogs have no background so no 'bad habits', 'aggression' or any other baggage some people feel comes with a rescue dog.

The more puppies that are bred, the more than cant be homed and the more that risk being put to sleep because they cant get rescue space. More and more litters are being handed in or dumped by breeders beacuse they cant be sold, especially due to the recession.

All i ask is that you think again before breeding your dog, whether bitch or dog, would you really want one of your puppies, one of the offspring from your much loved, could never be without dogs to end up dead, simply because there just wasnt the home for it. PLease if you have to breed for whatever reason, dont do it now whilst so many are dying.

Please do not shrug this post off and think ''Its not going to happen to my litter'' or ''it just doesnt happen like that'' beacuse it does and its happening now, and it might!

If you love dogs as much as i and so many other people do......please dont breed....not now. Dont be responsible for another dogs death

Running an overstretched Breed rescue I have some sympathy for your view. However, my experience in breed rescue tells me very clearly that the problem of dogs in rescue is 99.999% caused by puppy farmers, backyard breeders and naive/stupid/greedy "pet" breeders, not by reputable breeders who ensure that their pups go to good, well-vetted, well-prepared homes and who offer 24/7 support to their puppy buyers. The vast majority of dogs which come into rescue have been produced by breeders who care only about the money they make, not the dogs they mate or the pups they produce.

In the past two years, our rescue organisation has taken in and rehomed 275 unwanted Siberians (and we have between 20-30 waiting to come in as soon as foster homes are available). Only 3 of those dogs were bred by reputable breeders and all of them should have gone back to the breeders directly under the terms of their puppy contracts. It was the owners' breach of contract which caused the dogs to come into rescue, not anything to do with the breeders.

To tar all breeders with the same brush is neither logical nor realistic and the sooner that people realise that the easier it will be to target the puppy farmers etc and drive them out of business.

Mick

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Hi
I felt i wanted to respond to this view also. I have spent a long time researching my breed and put a lot of thought and time into preparing to breed. Whilst i am not going to respond to the comment about stop breeding and rescue i think that is too simplistic i do want to comment on something i have found.
Since researching breeding and indeed my girl is now pregnant i have been on many forums and read a lot of books. In fact i am an info junky, doesnt this make me a responsible breeder as i am fully equipped for the work ahead.
Anyway to my point, so many of these forums make breeding into such a negative. I felt uncomfortable saying i am breeding my dog although all my reasons are legitimate and i have the breed and my girls best interests at the forefront. If you ask a question on many forums all you get back is if you need to ask you shouldnt be breeding, get your dog speyed. This doesnt help responsible breeding and in fact pushes it to back street style where people are afraid to ask so just go with it and this surely is more irrisponsible.

Well that is just my experience to date and this and champdogs have been the only positive useful boards and i hope this thread doesnt go down the same route that we are all bad, irrisponsible people cause i know that is not true and for the sake of the continuation of our breeds responsible breeding must continue and everyone breeds for the first time once.

on the subject of rescue dogs i have had one and he was beautiful and many other people will too and great respect to you all whatever you choose to home.

Hi, I do agree with you, especially at this time of year, rescue centres are always full of unwanted dogs - of all ages and breeds. "Why breed and buy whilst shelter dogs die" ...I would always get my dog from a rescue, whether it be a cross or full breed.

Edited to add; I think if people are responsable breeders, they will find good homes for their puppies, and not just let them go to any old family/person. Also alot of breeders will take the puppy back if the new owners find they can't handle it for what ever reason.

RoseForTheDead sorry ,although i didnt make it clear at all, i understand that reputable breeders are not the ones who end up with puppies in rescue and do find permanent loving homes for their pups. My thread should be more aimed at the 'pet' breeders.

Peppapug i understand that you get good breeders, i know a hell of a lot. I know that people will never stop wanting a particular breed of dog and therefore breeders will breed them. All my post asks is that this is the worst time for breeding and pedigree or non pedigree, puppies and elder dogs are being handed in left right and centre. Im not anti-breeding. Im anti puppy farming and anti pet breeding and i dont think people should be breeding right now with such a low demand for puppies and such a high volume of unwanted. The recession is set to get worse and peoples pets are being the first to go. With your litter on the way, it is so important that you can ensure you can take back your puppies should their owners be unable to keep them anymore if things get worse. But im sure you've thought about this before.

I know its not been made clear as i said 'Breeder or non breeder' but i do mean to aim my post at those who havnt thought about the aftermath should it all go wrong! Im not talking about good/bad breeding here, im talking about why now.

I am pleased you have decided to rethink your views re Breeders. I for one have been showing/ breeding for over 20 years I have never had any of my breeding end up in rescue. I am there for the rest of the pups lives that I bring into this world not just for the first 8weeks
I do know where you are coming from as I have also helped in a volunteer capacity in rescue homes.
A lotof Ethical/ responsibles Breeders seem to also get a hard time on forums but if I can change one persons mind from breeding irresponsibily I will always continue to be annoying

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Yes Unethical/ Unresponsible breeders should. Its sad but has been happening for years. Not all RSPCA pounds are goody, goodies either when it comes to animals

We personally wouldn't breed our friend because she isn't a money maker she is a member of our family,i understand that you can make a lot of money from breeding your pets but its not for us, we have two business's that supply our income and before we brought her home we did check our local rescue dogs but they didn't have a bichon and i am asthmatic so couldn't take a dog that molted or we would have.

Not read all the posts relating to this
But my opinions ons this are - if we each think our own dog is the best, most fabulous dog in the whole world - dispite it's breed there are about a million other people thinking the same!

Breeding IS NOT an easy way to make money.

Each litter breed could potentially be reponsible for the breeding of thousands of other dogs (think about it a litter of 8 each breeding 3 times producing 8 and so it goes on).

EVERYTIME we buy a puppy from a Back street breeder OR a puppy farmer - because we feel sorry for it - that is just creating misery for another pup!

My heart breaks with all this!!!

THAT said - I purchased my last bitch after checking the breeding lines very carefully with a fine comb. IF ever I did decide to have a litter - I would have a strict no breeding contract without my knowledge for any of the pups, also I would insist on the best insurance be taken , I would also take full responsiblity for the FULL litter whereby they could NOT be resold of rehomed but be returned to me. The price would be high - DOUBT - i'd sell any so guess I sharn't be breeding!
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DT