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Old 05-01-2009, 09:17 AM
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Re: An urgent plea to ANYBODY considering to breed from their dog. Breeder or non bre

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Mind you, that is pretty unusual, most sibes will usually squeeze themselves into the smallest possible space all together quite happily. If you give 10 of them a 20ft square room, you will usually find them all crammed together in one corner.

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Mick there is cramped and there is cruelty this crate wasnt much bigger than one for a staffy
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Re: An urgent plea to ANYBODY considering to breed from their dog. Breeder or non bre

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This is a difficult one to address. We have the same problem in Siberians. Dozens of them (especially young males) come into rescue because they have become overdominant and "uncontrollable". In almost every case this is due to nurture rather than nature. The usual scenario is that the dog has been spoiled rotten as a puppy, given no boundaries for behaviour (usually because the new owner feels it is "cruel" to discipline the dog) with the result that the dog assumes that it is in charge and acts accordingly.
I totally agree with this and I do think that this is a very prevalent problem. In addition, now people buy dogs for their looks rather than because they are suitable to the environment being offered. There are so many queries and posts on here alone where people are troubled by what is normal puppy behaviour but they don't understand why love and affection aren't enough. I do believe that the anthropomorphisation of dogs can so easily lead to behaviour problems. In addition, the increase in popularity of these more hard-wired, working type breeds as pets that have completely different needs to the family mutt of old.
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Re: An urgent plea to ANYBODY considering to breed from their dog. Breeder or non bre

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Mick there is cramped and there is cruelty this crate wasnt much bigger than one for a staffy

I'm sure you're right! I was just saying that Sibes often choose to cram themselves into tight spaces and it rarely causes problems. We use the biggest collapsible cloth crates for ours at shows and only ever put two per crate.

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Re: An urgent plea to ANYBODY considering to breed from their dog. Breeder or non bre

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I totally agree with this and I do think that this is a very prevalent problem. In addition, now people buy dogs for their looks rather than because they are suitable to the environment being offered. There are so many queries and posts on here alone where people are troubled by what is normal puppy behaviour but they don't understand why love and affection aren't enough. I do believe that the anthropomorphisation of dogs can so easily lead to behaviour problems. In addition, the increase in popularity of these more hard-wired, working type breeds as pets that have completely different needs to the family mutt of old.
All too true - I've just come off the phone to a guy who wants to rehome his 22 week old husky because it is completely uncontrollable (??????). I offered him advice and support on working with the issues, but he wasn't interested. Easy come, easy go - bought on a whim and disposed of on a whim!

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Re: An urgent plea to ANYBODY considering to breed from their dog. Breeder or non bre

ok i do aree with most of whats been said but this is my opinion for what its worth yes there are a lot of rescue dogs out there at the moment that desperately need a home while i am not condeming rescue centers as they do a lot of good work they really do not help their own cause sometimes i mean how hard is it to get a dog from one of these places my friend went to her local rspca with the hope of rehomng a dog passed the homecheck only to be told that as she works 5 hours a day it would be unfair on a dog to be left that long ????

i mean how ridiculous that dog has lost its forever home now possibly being stuck in the kennels for another 6 months plus

i also knew of a lady in our village that rehomed a springer cross from a rescue center being told he was fine with cats and children only to find out he wasnt after her cat was killed by it so i can understand why people would be put off going down this route

as for pedigree breeders there are good and bad in all breeds i am currently looking for a new show dog and have found a very good breeder but i have done my homework it amazes me that people dont to be honest


unfortunately untill the kennel club get off their backsides and put an end to irresonsible breeding and buying of dogs not much will change
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unfortunately untill the kennel club get off their backsides and put an end to irresonsible breeding and buying of dogs not much will change
With all due respect, this comment shows the misunderstandings that are rife.
The Kennel club is a registry -they have never had any powers to stop anyone breeding. By contrast, the government, who makes the laws, gives grants to farmers to diversify into dog breeding! To put the problems at the door of the Kennel Club is completely misguided and ineffective - they don't have that power!

Don't get me wrong, I am not a huge fan of the Kennel Club, they try, but there are huge improvements to be made.. BUT it do get fed up with people laying everything that is wrong at their door.... because not only are they wrong, but it won't do any good because they don't have those powers.
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Re: An urgent plea to ANYBODY considering to breed from their dog. Breeder or non bre

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This is a difficult one to address. We have the same problem in Siberians. Dozens of them (especially young males) come into rescue because they have become overdominant and "uncontrollable". In almost every case this is due to nurture rather than nature. The usual scenario is that the dog has been spoiled rotten as a puppy, given no boundaries for behaviour (usually because the new owner feels it is "cruel" to discipline the dog) with the result that the dog assumes that it is in charge and acts accordingly. We had exactly the same issue with a puppy we bred. By the time he was two, the owners were complaining about his dominance and his refusal to behave. We took the dog back for retraining , but in our home, he never acted in a dominant way at all. As soon as he was back in his own home, the behaviour started again. It was really difficult explaining to the owners that they were the problem! In the end we took the dog back and rehomed it with a couple who have had no problems with him whatever.
Some dogs are more pack-oriented than others and if the owners are not (in the dog's view) exhibiting pack leadership, they will assume that they have to and will act acordingly.

Mick
I can relate to some of this above. I have two Norwegian Elkhounds, one male and female. I had lots of problems with my male when he was a puppy with his dominance toward me, but not my husband. Before it got out of hand, I contacted a professional dog trainer and it was my actual reaction toward my dog that caused his dominance, so it was an educational learning curve for me. He is now 4 years old and we now have a fantastic bond with no trouble whatsoever and he knows who is in charge (me!) but there is a way to do it without what I call 'bullying' the dog and get the best out of him. My female by the way has always been a llittle angel.

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Old 06-01-2009, 04:37 AM
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Re: An urgent plea to ANYBODY considering to breed from their dog. Breeder or non bre

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With all due respect, this comment shows the misunderstandings that are rife.
The Kennel club is a registry -they have never had any powers to stop anyone breeding. By contrast, the government, who makes the laws, gives grants to farmers to diversify into dog breeding! To put the problems at the door of the Kennel Club is completely misguided and ineffective - they don't have that power!

Don't get me wrong, I am not a huge fan of the Kennel Club, they try, but there are huge improvements to be made.. BUT it do get fed up with people laying everything that is wrong at their door.... because not only are they wrong, but it won't do any good because they don't have those powers.
well im sorry but they do they are quiet happy to take money from regeristing litters of poorly bred puppies from people that are using the same bitches time and time again i have proof of this so imo it has to start somewhere im not saying they are totally at fault because they are not but they do need to be more responsible in what they are expecting of breeders
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I agree that the kennel club do not have the power needed to sort this problem out. However, they do have the ability to ensure that the breed standards are such that these breeders no longer feel they need to follow poor breeding practices and therefore hopefully help with the reduction of the the many medical problems that pedigree dogs suffer from.
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