Am i the only one who thinks this is bang out of order? I have the web addy if you wish to see. PM me

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the price is 650 too

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Im not sure why they would want to.
Surely if you want a Chinese crested you get one and if you want a chi you get one! and £650 is silly!
Maybe one on the males snuck in with the one of the females?

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Dan and Pippa!

as far as i can see the owner of the Chinese crested dont own a chi, its their friends

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I'm gonna play devil's advocate here, there are lots of members who scream *prejudice* when cross breeding is even slightly viewed on with a dim light, not even the cross breed itself, more the practices. However, if *we* are ever going to get anywhere with encouraging cross breeding to be done in the right way, what's wrong with someone who also breeds KC registered pedigrees doing so? I'm betting this particular KC breeder isn't doing the full glut of health tests they could be doing, but why do KC breeders, and cross breeders have to be exclusive of each other, if we are trying to encourage all breeding to be done ethically?

my reason for this thread is I was shocked that a KC breeder would breed cross dogs I would be shocked all the same if it was a non kc breeder, the chi was the mother too that i find shocking

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Can I just ask what you mean by a KC registered breeder? If it is just a breeder who has registered litters with the KC then that doesn't make them anything special. However, if they are KC Assured Breeders, then I should report them to the KC. KC Assured breeders have to adhere to a certain number of requirements, one of which is that they must hand over the dog's registration certificate at time of sale if available, or forward it to the new owner as soon as possible. As crosses cannot be registered, they will be unable to do this and hence will not be adhering to the requirements of the scheme. Similarly, they have to provide a list of breed specific traits and tendencies or any further breed specific advice or information that may enhance the puppy buyers understanding of the breed they are buying, and again, they would find this very difficult to do for a crossbreed so,again, they are not adhering to the requirements.

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Bergies and borders - what more could anyone want? Siamese and maine coons, of course!

From the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam:
The Moving Finger writes, and, having writ,
Moves on, nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.
(But you can always edit your post, of course )

I did say, I doubted very much that this breeder would be ticking all the boxes, however, I still think if we are going to accept cross breeding happens, and some cross breeds are popular, it shouldn't be stigmatised, but the facts should be out there so people can see, yes, that's been done with the health tests etc, and more thought about the parents, than just bunging two dogs together. Many who breed cross breeds have got away for too long with twisting the facts, if it can be looked at in the same way as breeding responsibly bred pedigrees, rather than separated into that *them and us* situation, I think it can only be good for the dogs.

Spellweaver, I think you'll find even ABS members are able to breed cross breeds, as long as they do not use the ABS to promote them in any way.

I think it's irresponsible to put a larger dog to a smaller dog in that way, but then having seen pedigree Labs range from between 45kgs and 17kgs, the same could be said within some breeds, it's not as obvious when it is though. Apologies to the OP, I'm not disagreeing in many respects, just that I feel the emphasis is in the wrong place, if they are making such poor decisions for cross breed litters, they most likely are for pedigree litters too, but I'm sure no-one would bat an eye lid with a thread titled Badly Bred Chinese Crested Litter, does that make sense?

If an ABS breeder is producing fab litters from dogs doing all the right health tests etc.... but also wants to produce a litter of crosses using one of their dogs and mate with another suitable health tested stud apart from not being KC reg why is that seen as being so wrong?

For example if a breeder of Cavaliers is doing all the health test etc.... more than some other breeders are doing but also loves to breed Cavapoos as wishes to raise the bar with them , so wants to use one of her girls to also produce them. Why is that so wrong?


For me all I see is a breeder wishing to breed the healthiest and the best. So still producing a Cavalier but now also producing a Cavapoo.

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My Canadian experience, starting 40 years ago with a Cockapoo breeder, was that the owner of the Poodle (a champion) and the owner of the Cocker were both very much involved in their clubs.

Many/most of those that produce mixes here also produce purebred registered dogs. Some hide that they do, and others do not.

Our CKC has policies against this, but they don't have any teeth or recourse.

The idea of a registering breeder producing mixes therefore is no surprise here.

A sidenote, as I have interest in canine history, my understanding is that Gypsy Rose Lee - whose foundation stock are a good part of the CC breed, was a great fan of experimental cross breeding and used Chihuahuas as well.

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