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Old 13-01-2012, 01:48 PM
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Need help and advice!

Me and my partner have two dogs, a male pomeranian called Simba, and a female yorkshire terrier called Sacha.
A few months ago I asked my vet about getting Sacha doctored so that she couldn't have puppies (as I was quite happy with two dogs!) but my partner wouldn't agree and as she was registered under his name at the vets, the vet refused to do the operation until we had both agreed.
My partner then only agreed once she'd come into heat, the vet then refused because she was in heat and insisted that we wait until after.
Here comes the clincher. I had been keeping the two dogs seperate while she was in heat but my partner made a mistake and left them alone together.
Sacha is now pregnant. I took her to the vets once more and asked him to terminate the pregnancy (yes yes I know, how cruel am I but she's not even a year old and I was terrified for her!) The vet once again refused and insisted we wait at least 5 weeks.
Now I've been told if she has the injection she wont re absorb the pups and will have to pass them which is apparently very stressful for the dog (hence why i wanted it done at the start of this!) and the vet assured me that she was healthy, happy and big enough to have the pups.
I felt awful for the puppies so reluctantly agreed. (She's big for her age and Simba was the runt so according to the vet that should be a help to her)
I went to the vets today for a checkup expecting him to do SOMETHING, anything. Examine her, take blood tests, at least show me an xray to be able to tell me how many puppies i was expecting, an ultra sound, ANYTHING.

I got nothing. I got snippets of advice about when the puppies would be born (apparently as Sacha has been 'babied' she will expect me to help/raise much of the pups by myself), yapped at about not overfeeding her as it can make the pups too large for her to pass, and then was told all the horror stories that could go wrong, and (awfully politely, the tosspot) informed that to perform an emergency caesearean I'll be charged anything from 250 to 500.

The money isn't the problem, I'd pay thousands for Sacha, and I already have homes lined up with close friends and family for these puppies (which no, I will not be selling) if the pregnancy is successful, but heres the thing.
I am terrified. I was sent on my way today from the vets in complete shock with his last words of 'advice' being 'tell her shes a good girl, and dont stress, or you'll stress her'.

That was it. It has hit me that he has probably been stringing me along the whole time and now I am terrified.
I have no idea what to do. Shouldn't she be on vitamins or something? Should he not have given me some clue as to what will actually happen once the pups are here? How to know if something goes wrong?
Sorry for the long post, and yes, call me a backyard breeder, evil, whatever you so feel, but please, for the love of all that is holy, give me some advice, because i have absolutely NO idea what I'm doing, and my partner (the OTHER tosspot) is useless, he thinks 'shell be just fine'.
She's due on February 5th apparently, so that gives me three weeks to prepare. HELP!
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Re: Need help and advice!

I am sorry I am unable to offer any helpful advice and hopefully more experienced people will be along later, but if I was in your shoes I would be looking for a different vet! Yours sounds very unhelpful and has given bad advice IMO.

I hope all goes well for Sacha!
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Re: Need help and advice!

Thankyou anyway, I really hope so too I really need someone who knows what they're talking about! And yes, I'm in the process of finding a new vet, its just hard to find one in my area near to me as i dont drive. But I most certainly will not be going back to the old one!
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As regards to pratical help should she whelp and what you are going to need and look out for this might help you. Obviously it covers what to do right before you breed, but there is pre whelping, whelping and after care for mum and pups further down.
http://www.akc.org/breeders/resource...g_your_dog.pdf

I dont need to tell you of course that this dog should not have even been mated, and it sounds to me like this was the plan all along at least from your partner. At less then a year old she is a puppy herself. Its not just the physical implications though lord knows they are bad, she will not be mentally prepared to raise and teach pups herself either.

About the only thing that the vet has said thats remotely true was about spaying her once in season, because of the increased blood supply and the hormone changes it does increase the risk of bleeding out in surgery, so that was probably a half decent decision but about the only one.

As a young puppy herself and a small breed, and even though the dad may have been a runt, doesnt mean the puppies will be tiny. If she hasnt had a scan and the vet doesnt know how many and the size of the pups then how the hell can he make a judgement call that they wont be too big or her too small for them to pass and whelp naturally. Do you know what to do as regards whelping and what to look for and how to take her temperature so that when it changes you will know that whelping is due imminently? How long to wait if she doesnt go into labour after the temperature change, or if she is in difficulty with passing the pups? She likely has things against her for a normal whelp more ways then for.

If I was you I would be taking her and registering her at another vet and get her checked properly. If its in your name, then you can call the shots dont even tell the waster of a partner or other vet. Ask if she can have the mismate still and if she can ask them to talk you through it. You really need better advise then what you have. I think you need to make a stand for her sake and take control. Find a good vet quick, register her and take her asap.
Dont mention the other vet either because they have a code of conduct and cant and wont say anything about another vets practices, some RCVSs thing they have to abide by.
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I would DEFINITLEY be looking for another vet for a second opinion.
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Have just found this version too of the earlier link that I have posted in quicker to access form for the relevant parts of pregnancy and whelp

American Kennel Club - Breeders Resources
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Thankyou all very much, I've picked a vet and will be calling them first thing monday. Is there anything in particular I should be watching out for now? I'm feeding her Science Plan dry puppy food and supplementing her diet every few days with plain boiled chicken as a treat. Do I need to do anything else? She's still charging about like a mad bull and other than the swollen stomach and her nipples being much more noticable there are no other signs. Is it possible (as my vet clearly knows nothing) that she could be suffering a false pregnancy? I plan to find all this out on Monday but if anyone could tell me anything else that'd be great? Where will I be able to buy a rectal thermometer? Will the vet sell them?
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Thankyou all very much, I've picked a vet and will be calling them first thing monday. Is there anything in particular I should be watching out for now? I'm feeding her Science Plan dry puppy food and supplementing her diet every few days with plain boiled chicken as a treat. Do I need to do anything else? She's still charging about like a mad bull and other than the swollen stomach and her nipples being much more noticable there are no other signs. Is it possible (as my vet clearly knows nothing) that she could be suffering a false pregnancy? I plan to find all this out on Monday but if anyone could tell me anything else that'd be great? Where will I be able to buy a rectal thermometer? Will the vet sell them?
Read through all those links I have given you in the two earlier posts I did.
It talks you through the whole thing, including what nutrition and what you should be going for mum long before the actual birth. It explains all the things you need for preparation of the birth as well. Either print it off, or go book mark it and go through and make notes.

Dogs can have a phantom pregnancy, it does and can happen. There is only a few days in the cycle that the fertilization can take place too. I thinkk you may find that is even all explained on those links I gave.
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Oh, you definitely need another vet, no question. He could have given her the mismate jab straight away, why didn't he?

Nobody thinks you were cruel to want it, certainly it is better than a puppy giving birth to puppies, I just can't understand a vet refusing it. You should have taken her somewhere else straight away, but of course you come to trust your vet.
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Are you in the UK? If so, I would seriously think about complaining about the vet that wouldn't allow you to terminate this pregnancy. There is a small risk of pyometra with the injection, however, the risk of whelping carries a greater chance of *things* going wrong, particularly since your girl is just a pup herself. So no, I don't think you're cruel at all wanting to have her have the misalignment injection, it was the responsible thing to do, and your vet should be shot in my honest opinion!

To be honest, I wouldn't bother trying to take temperatures, if you're not certain what you're doing, you can get a false reading from hitting the bowel wall. Hopefully, if you can confirm if she's in whelp or not, then you need to buy in supplies. I've got a bitch due in season that I've planned a litter from for a couple of years now, and I won't be buying anything until after she's mated.

I honestly hope it's a false pregnancy for her sake, she's so young. One thing I would advise if she is actually pregnant, is rehoming pups with a signed contract, to ensure anyone who takes one does not rehome them on again, without contacting you, and without your express permission, or returning them to you to find a new home for. That way, hopefully, none of the possible pups would end up in rescue, or being passed from one home to another.
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