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Old 06-12-2011, 09:38 PM
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I know of someone who has bred two litters from her cavalier in the last year and she rekons the KC will let her register both litters? I thought the KC only allowed one litter to be registered per year ??? This is shocking!!!
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Re: Surely Not??

I believe that she can register the second litter, although I think the KC do question it and an answer must be given as to why the dog has had two litters in such a period?
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Old 06-12-2011, 10:40 PM
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I know of someone who has bred two litters from her cavalier in the last year and she rekons the KC will let her register both litters? I thought the KC only allowed one litter to be registered per year ??? This is shocking!!!
The oldest myth going - where did it come from?

Licensed breeders are not permitted to have more than one litter in a 12 month period from their bitches.

A small, but increasing number of AB members are now not permitted to have more than one litter from their bitch in a 12 month period.

For the remainder, there is no such ruling, and looking back historically at how dogs have been bred, there never was
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Re: Surely Not??

I didn't realise not all AB's had the same restrictions, having a breed that is restricted to one litter per year for Assured Breeders. Hopefully more breed clubs will put forward this recommendation
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:13 PM
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I didn't realise not all AB's had the same restrictions, having a breed that is restricted to one litter per year for Assured Breeders. Hopefully more breed clubs will put forward this recommendation
Jac - a few breeds have brought it in as a "recommendation" - but don't think it is mandatory (although they can get around that because many will be breed club members so would presumably have to adhere that way?)

Other regulations I can see for FCR and a number of other breeds is no litter before the bitch is 24 months old and interesting to see the addition to the NSDTR

4) Dogs under 2 years not to be used at stud

Thought I was reading it for Labs for a minute there

Are they talking about dogs the AB member uses, or whether they are allowed to stand their dogs at stud to non ABS members?
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Re: Surely Not??

That is a very good question, if the litter is not to be registered by an AB breeder, would they check? Or will it take someone to report it?

Do they check the online registrations with stud dog owners? I find it hard to believe every time a litter is registered that they send a letter to the stud dog owner, especially when they are turning registrations around in less than 7 days :S

Not having owned a dog used at stud I can only wonder, but it has concerning implications.

I have not been keeping up to date with the regulations, been a bit busy ( am blooming knackered )
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That is a very good question, if the litter is not to be registered by an AB breeder, would they check? Or will it take someone to report it?

Do they check the online registrations with stud dog owners? I find it hard to believe every time a litter is registered that they send a letter to the stud dog owner, especially when they are turning registrations around in less than 7 days :S

Not having owned a dog used at stud I can only wonder, but it has concerning implications.

I have not been keeping up to date with the regulations, been a bit busy ( am blooming knackered )
It does have concerning implications - I have to say I baulked a little when I read it as I initially thought it was Labs (NSDTR and Labs are next to each other on the KC documentation)

They are meant to write to the stud dog owner and I would 'guess; that a computer generated letter is sent out - but people move - and quite often - it's easy to 'forget' to update your address details etc - as an AB member, obviously you would have to update them - and I 'assume' they would update the records of all the dogs in that kennels ownership

But as for checking non AB litters - mmmm - very hazy

Hopefully one of the NSDTR breeders / owners will see this and be able to shed some light.

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Also - more out of curiosity than anything else

A fair few breeds it now says

"not to produce a litter under 2 years" - does this mean can't be mated until two years, or not actually whelping the babies below 2 years? (and doesn't affect me as all mine are above two years - just curious )
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Re: Surely Not??

It is because auto immune disease usually shows up before they are 2 years old. So you assume a dog is healthy when over 2. It has been recommended by the breed club for a long time, and most people wait until dog and bitch is over 2 before breeding.
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It is because auto immune disease usually shows up before they are 2 years old. So you assume a dog is healthy when over 2. It has been recommended by the breed club for a long time
Thanks for that - it was quite unusual sitting amongst the other restrictions (which are predominantly around bitches) - so interesting to know the reasons behind it. I know some believe that dogs should be older rather than younger before they are used - I've used old and young studs - definitely my best litter was from the younger dog, but then that might be because I also had a better bitch (if that makes sense) - although he is one very nice producer

Would you know how this would be enforced?

For example - obviously (presumably) an AB would be measured against the requirements and recommendations - but where would they stand if they permitted a dog below that age to be stood at stud?

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