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Old 02-12-2011, 03:52 PM
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quick question

when you have a litter do you declare it to the tax man or iff you are on benefit do you tell them you have an addition income
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:07 PM
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Re: quick question

I could be wrong but yes, I think you have to declare it to both the tax man & the benefits agency as a source of income. Hth
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Old 02-12-2011, 07:50 PM
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Re: quick question

to be honest most breeders end up either in the red when breeding or just breaking even so unless your cutting corners and such there shouldnt be an extra income to declare, so no i havent ever declared it to the tax man, same as ive never tried to claim back expenses for health tests,travel costs to stud,electric for keeping puppies warm etc etc, which if you were paying tax on your litter as an income then you should, infact bet the tax man would end up owing me money..lol that would make a change
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Re: quick question

I delcared my litter to the tax-man and got a tax rebate (not just for the litter you understand )

As above - there is little, if any profit to be made in breeding a litter if you are doing it properly - the costs of health-tests, pre-mates, stud dogs, travel to the stud dog, scans, KC registration, feeding, heating bills, washing bills, worming, other vets fees, microchipping all add up - if the litter gets sick, your bitch needs a c-Section will put you seriously in the red.

All I hope for when I have a litter is that mum and the pups are well and that the pups thrive under our guidance - it's much cheaper to buy in a pup rather than breed one

ETA - I have to ask how someone how someone on benefits could afford the recommended health-tests for most breeds - never mind the stud fee - which from what I've gleaned on here, is lower in my own breed than many others.
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Re: quick question

I cant imagine that many people would mention it to the tax man or benefits office. Just in case you get reported keep a strict tally of what your dog has cost to keep (and buy) from the time you got her and what it has cost to produce a litter. That should cover it and make it clear there is no profit.
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I do know of a couple claiming disability benefits that were reported both times they bred their bitch and they were called in by the social to discuss it. They were not at all happy and they were warned that they could lose all income if they choose to carry on with their new 'hobby'.
I think if you keep a full record of outgoings/receipts as already said then anyone breeding in the right way is unlikely to be making a profit anyway.
Personally I wouldnt breed if I were claiming any benefits anyway
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Re: quick question

thanks was just wondering
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I do know of a couple claiming disability benefits that were reported both times they bred their bitch and they were called in by the social to discuss it. They were not at all happy and they were warned that they could lose all income if they choose to carry on with their new 'hobby'.
I think if you keep a full record of outgoings/receipts as already said then anyone breeding in the right way is unlikely to be making a profit anyway.
Personally I wouldnt breed if I were claiming any benefits anyway
I can't imagine anyone of benefits could afford to breed tbh especially since many on benefits use the likes of the blue cross or the pdsa(?) i know the blue cross will refuse to see an animal if they're intentionally breeding.The only people i've heard of who have done it intentionally have cut corners and endangered their dogs heath just to make a few quid.
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I can't imagine anyone of benefits could afford to breed tbh especially since many on benefits use the likes of the blue cross or the pdsa(?) i know the blue cross will refuse to see an animal if they're intentionally breeding.The only people i've heard of who have done it intentionally have cut corners and endangered their dogs heath just to make a few quid.
Unfortunately that never used to be the case, even if they have stepped up the rules lately and I believe thats part of the reason that we are now in the byb situation we are now mad:
I know of cat breeders that used the pdsa and a voucher system (not sure what it is to be honest) through benefits to have their kittens vaccinations done before leaving !! It was literally costing them around £50 to have whole litters vaccinated and these were breeders of pedigree kittens, selling for between £350-£650 each. I thought at the time how unfair the whole thing was and anyone with morals wouldnt do such a thing but then, there seems to be a whole new type of 'breeder' that really don't do morals. Its all about the profit margins
The local dog 'breeder' that took one of the puppies to the pdsa when it had a leg fracture got away without paying for any treatment for that either !! They were very proud of the fact that it should have cost £560. It completely destroyed my point that if anything went wrong with the whelping, etc then they would need a small fortune to get through it and there was little profit to be made. Mind you they were also completely open about the fact that they go through the lost property box weekly at the school and take out anything decent and just change the name tags. They havent had to buy a uniform in years
It would seem to whole of the UK has lost the plot. We pay people to sit at home, we pay for their pets, we pay for them to have a house, a car, everything for their children and then as an added extra as they have so much free time they get to be a byb and get a little extra cash.
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Unfortunately that never used to be the case, even if they have stepped up the rules lately and I believe thats part of the reason that we are now in the byb situation we are now mad:
I know of cat breeders that used the pdsa and a voucher system (not sure what it is to be honest) through benefits to have their kittens vaccinations done before leaving !! It was literally costing them around £50 to have whole litters vaccinated and these were breeders of pedigree kittens, selling for between £350-£650 each. I thought at the time how unfair the whole thing was and anyone with morals wouldnt do such a thing but then, there seems to be a whole new type of 'breeder' that really don't do morals. Its all about the profit margins
The local dog 'breeder' that took one of the puppies to the pdsa when it had a leg fracture got away without paying for any treatment for that either !! They were very proud of the fact that it should have cost £560. It completely destroyed my point that if anything went wrong with the whelping, etc then they would need a small fortune to get through it and there was little profit to be made. Mind you they were also completely open about the fact that they go through the lost property box weekly at the school and take out anything decent and just change the name tags. They havent had to buy a uniform in years
It would seem to whole of the UK has lost the plot. We pay people to sit at home, we pay for their pets, we pay for them to have a house, a car, everything for their children and then as an added extra as they have so much free time they get to be a byb and get a little extra cash.
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