DD every time you (or your mother) breed a litter you have the risk of the death of puppies and the bitch - yet you choose to breed. Sods law is that there are probably more deaths with an ethical sort of litter than the average pet owners litters. You are breeding a fairly specialist breed that has small litters so it is unlikely your breed will end up in rescue but no contract stops anyone breeding or rehoming their puppy however 'ethical' the breeder thinks they are.

Just back off - accept that opinions do differ and as I said earlier just point new breeders in the direction of an informative sticky thread instead of pointing them in the opposite direction to the forum.

Of course, you cant change nature - sometimes things are not meant to be! - all we can do is our best. Im also aware what can go wrong with breeding, shame most on here dont.

- However I am not talking about that, I am talking about dogs who are PTS because they are sold to unsuitable homes, have been dumped - spent to long in rescue ect!

unlikely our breed will end up in rescue? are you kidding - currently we have 4 fosters in, 3 from breed rescue. (in our home alone) & after christmas numbers will double.

and as for backing off, I dont think so - after all its the dogs I care about, not the breeders or what folk on here make of me - just remember googles a good tool, and alot on here dont give their true stories

I know you care about dogs - that is why I suggest you back off and point people in the right direction of a sticky or a book. Because your attitude is alienating the very people that could be helped and that is such a shame.

DD (& one or two others too) - as soon as there is a mention of crossbreed the red mist descends, anyone who has been around PF for a fairly short time knows your views and that it offends your ethics. You are quite entitled to your opinions but I don't understand why you then get involved at all, you cannot force everyone to share your views so it doesn't really achieve anything. The reasons people make choices are many and varied and you do not know their reasons.

If you can't just comment on breeding threads where they do meet your standards and feel you have to say something, why can't you just restrict yourself to "I do not approve of crossbreeding its unethical; I do not approve of anyone breeding unless they show or work its unethical; I do not approve of anyone breeding who does not meet my standards its unethical"

The OP has said this is her first litter so has not contributed to the current rescue situation you feel so passionately about - may or may not with these ten pups who knows you haven't actually asked. she has done health tests, has an approved breeder in the background and may already have vetted homes for all you know and may well have contracts for all you know. Does not appear to meet the knowledge levels some think necessary - I would say give the poor lady a break could just be sudden nerves/doubting herself.

Your opinion on my dog & whether he should exist is totally irrelevant to me the only thing I do find irritating is the assumption (not just by you I add) that crossbreed automatically means bad breeding/no health tests/all end in rescue without bothering to POLITELY ask the questions first. Alternatively if you read the pedigree breeding threads its all nicey nicey ask the questions first - why the double standards, bad breeders are bad whatever they are producing.

This has nothing to do with breeding crossbreeds, the concern would be the same if the pups were purebreed.

She says she has done the health tests and maybe she has, but people do lie about such things.

an accredited breeder who has gone against the rules of being an accredited breeder so doesn't say much about them

No on basic knowledge and while I don't expect anyone in the veterinary profession to be experts in breeding (I've said many times that the vet is the last person I would ask advice for when breeding unless they were specialists in the area or it was to do with something medical) but basic information on good nutrition I would expect.

Freely admit I don't know that much about the rules but someone else said they reported an accredited breeder to KC and was told it was "frowned on" so does that mean its not actually against the rules? From what I read too was accredited for other breed not the poodle, does that make a difference?

I think we can safely say that the op has been pointed in the right direction as far as food for her bitch and weaning etc, thread is now going swiftly downhill and so will be closed

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