Take this anonymous quiz here:

http://myquizcreator.com/take/5239

It's at best a very rough guide but maybe 'food for thought'? ;-)

The HIGHER your % score, the LESS likely it is that you are a BYB, and thus the MORE likely it is that you are a Responsible Breeder :-)

Hopefully quiz amended and working! ;-)

I nearly was last week.............hubby wanted to buy a car and the reg number was ****BYB .............. I was horrifed and said what will people think if I am driving that? He is still taking the mickey out of me

You could do all those things and still be a BYB! - There is also no correct answer like suggested once you have taken the quiz, breeding is not a black and white area.

- Like for example (do you own the stud) - If you select yes, your told that the answer is incorrect - not the case, sometimes a well established breeder will buy in a dog, and later down the line out cross it to one of their home bred girls, or similar.

Not being picky like.

I thought the same as you DD, lol lol!!

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Not looked at the quiz - but yes - this is a key issue. I've used three studs, total travelling distance around 45 hours During that time, I've had my own boys here, NOW, I am thinking of using one of my own boys on my next litter - one has yet to be health-tested so obviously it depends on the results -

Total max cost of using an outside stud dog - £500 plus travel

Total max cost of using one of the dogs I've brought in - c£1,400 - plus travel for viewing litters and collecting pups

mmmmmmm

I know someone else who used their own stud dog, produced a cracking litter - went to three outside dogs and and got nothing they could keep for show / breeding on - no surprise they went back to their own stud dog with a different bitch - and guess what - they produced another cracking litter from which they kept.

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I get irate when people advise that you should see 'mum' and 'dad' at the breeders because the in-house dog may not be the best for the bitch - BUT - most people with long term plans will bring in dogs where they've heavily researched the breeding, know the pedigrees and hope, if things pan out as intended, to be able to use them at some point on their own lines

That has certainly been my long term intention with both boys I've brought in and believe me - if you heard the whinging that can go on at "ready times" - you would doubly understand why going out and using an external dog is both cheaper and easier on the headaches than keeping your own

It also tickles me (NOT) how many people have accidental un-noticed matings, but when you actually WANT to mate two of your own dogs and done everything right, they would rather play or go to sleep

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Thought I'd update this thread with results so far as not sure people can see this??? Before I do, yes, there are some 'grey areas' particularly the 'do you own the stud dog' ;-) but I hope you find it interesting nonetheless:

A total of 38 people have taken your quiz.
The average score for this quiz was 77.868421052632%!

Question #1: Do you own the stud dog that is used on your bitch? - Average of 73.684210526316% correct
Answer #1: No - 28 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 10 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #2: Could you list right now what is in the KC Breed Standard for your breed of dog/s? - Average of 84.210526315789% correct
Answer #1: No - 6 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 32 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #3: Have you ever used a non BVA Health Tested Sire? - Average of 81.578947368421% correct
Answer #1: No - 31 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 7 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #4: Have you ever sold two pups or more at the same time to a novice? - Average of 100% correct
Answer #1: No - 38 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #5: Does your pups' pedigrees include many dogs who have obtained show titles/working certificates? - Average of 81.578947368421% correct
Answer #1: No - 7 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 31 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #6: Could you list right now the potential genetic defects of your breed? - Average of 76.315789473684% correct
Answer #1: No - 9 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 29 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #7: What age did your bitch have her first litter? - Average of 76.315789473684% correct
Answer #1: Under 12 months old - 1 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Between 12 and 24 months old - 8 people have chosen this
Answer #3: 24 months and over but under five years old - 29 people have chosen this
Answer #4: Over five years old - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #8: Why did you/do you breed? - Average of 78.947368421053% correct
Answer #1: Wanted to replicate my existing dog/s - 7 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Needed an additional income - 1 people have chosen this
Answer #3: To improve my own dogs, the bloodlines and the breed - 30 people have chosen this
Answer #4: It is good for the bitch, healthwise, to have a litter - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #9: Do your breeding dogs have the relevant BVA Health Tests? - Average of 86.842105263158% correct
Answer #1: No - 5 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 33 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #10: Are your breeding dogs Kennel Club Registered? - Average of 81.578947368421% correct
Answer #1: No - 7 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 31 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #11: Do you compete in any of the following: conformation, obedience, agility, Gundog, Working Trials etc - Average of 57.894736842105% correct
Answer #1: No - 16 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 22 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #12: Do you belong to any Dog and/or Breed Clubs & organisations? - Average of 57.894736842105% correct
Answer #1: No - 16 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 22 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #13: Do you always follow up on your puppies' health and well-being? - Average of 81.578947368421% correct
Answer #1: No - 3 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Sometimes - 4 people have chosen this
Answer #3: Yes - 31 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #14: Have you ever repeated a breeding (same Sire & Dam)? - Average of 78.947368421053% correct
Answer #1: No - 30 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 8 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

Question #15: Are your puppies sold with contracts including Breeding Endorsements & return of puppy? - Average of 71.052631578947% correct
Answer #1: No - 11 people have chosen this
Answer #2: Yes - 27 people have chosen this
Answer #3: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #4: - 0 people have chosen this
Answer #5: - 0 people have chosen this

I have not taken the quiz because too many of the questions are flawed (sorry )

Question #3: Have you ever used a non BVA Health Tested Sire? - Average of 82.758620689655% correct

What is the correct answer? NO? what if I've used a stud dog from America, Australia, Europe? they won't have BVA Health test results, they will be therefore be a "Non BVA Health Tested Sire" - so my answer would be 'incorrect' - even though studs in some countries undergo MORE health tests than those in the UK.

Question #5: Does your pups' pedigrees include many dogs who have obtained show titles/working certificates? - Average of 79.310344827586% correct

What does this mean? absolutely NOTHING - and is a dangerous perception for people who breed - red doesn't mean good any more than black doesn't mean bad (Red = titled - Black = Not titled)

Two of the most influential dogs in my breed in the last 25 years are not titled - but their influence on the breed has been nothing short of PHENOMENAL - one of them has two tickets I believe - but is black on the pedigree

One of my own show bitch's dam isn't titled - however - she has her Show Gun Working Certificate, 2 tickets and 7 reserve tickets - but on a pedigree she has nothing. - her sire has his JW, but he also has a ticket and 2 RCC

The last sire I used had nothing when I used him apart from good placings, he now has his stud book number, several Reserve tickets and one ticket - on paper he is black not red

Some dogs bred into show / working families may be superlative - but not enjoy the show - but can turn into phenomenal producers for the showring.

Field Trial Awards are not red on official pedigrees - but it's no mean feat to become a Field Trial Award winner - but again - would be marked down as wrong.

Again, one of the most successful 'dual purpose' dogs in our breed was produced from a SH CH and a FT Award winner - no red on dad's side (lots on mums).

Red doesn't always produce red - black often produces red or nearly red (which would remain black) - Red looks prettier and more impressive than black - but is NOT an indication of a good breeder or otherwise


Question #11: Do you compete in any of the following: conformation, obedience, agility, Gundog, Working Trials etc - Average of 62.068965517241% correct

What is correct about this? I compete regularly - but my next bitch I will breed from IF I breed is probably the best I've bred conformationally - but she doesn't like the showring - so seldom sees it - I can answer yes to this question - but not with the particular dog I am breeding - so again - skewed>


Question #12: Do you belong to any Dog and/or Breed Clubs & organisations? - Average of 58.620689655172% correct

Whilst it is a good idea to belong to breed clubs, it's not a mandatory requirement, I have a friend with her own kennel name and cracking dogs who shows regularly (and hasn't gone a year in the ring without qualifying her dogs for Crufts) and has used ALL the recommended health tests for the breed - but she doesn't feel the need to belong to the clubs - it doesn't make her a bad breeder.

Question #14: Have you ever repeated a breeding (same Sire & Dam)? - Average of 79.310344827586% correct

Again - what is correct? occasionally, there are very good reasons for repeating matings - I've seen a number of Champions and dogs really 'up there' come from a litter, and a repeat has produced the same again - so not always bad.


Question #15: Are your puppies sold with contracts including Breeding Endorsements & return of puppy? - Average of 75.862068965517% correct

What is correct? breeding endorsements aren't widely used in the Lab working world - there is quite a divergence here - I sell all my dogs with breeding endorsements and lay out exactly what I require to lift them - of the dogs I've brought in, two haven't had endorsements, but I would defy ANYONE to claim they are a bad breeder - because what they don't know about their breed and the influence they've had on it over the years globally is nothing short of truly immeasurable.

And yes, they would always assist with rehoming any dog - but endorsements are a hot topic - I know some people who have been stung VERY badly with them and would never again buy a dog with them on - it's cost them a lot of money in health-testing and a lot of heartache in fighting what have turned out to be a really dodgy breeder - yet - that breeder would probably rightly answer yes to every single question on this survey

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I'm sorry - I don't mean to criticise - but to deem these answers correct / incorrect could give the wrong message to a lot of people.

It implies using your own stud dog is wrong
It implies if you use the health tests, have a lot of red in a pedigree and endorse your pups you are a good breeder

In some breeds - 5 is considered the limit for a first litter - in others, there are good arguements for breeding before 2,

Lots of red in a pedigree means absolutely nothing - more important is knowing about those lines as comprehensively as possible - it takes a LOT to make up a SH CH, FT CH, CH - and sometimes that one remaining award for whatever reason remains ellusive - but because it remains black on a pedigree - it could be then be construed as a 'non-achiever' - when actually - the dog could have had a phenomenal career in either the show / field or both - and I would truly loathe it if new people coming in to consider breeding simply started looking at pedigrees in terms of red.

Yes - sometimes you see pedigrees where it is spot the black - sometimes they produce the goods, sometimes they don't - there are all those that we look at and go wow as they have all the makings of a phenomenal dog, - but it doesn't always follow through, and what follows through is almost more important than what the dog achieves itself.

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Looks like I'm automatically a BYB because my breed is not KC registerable!

I didn't cover this one - but it does (whatever my own feelings) kick back at those few responsibly breeding popular crosses who may take as much time and effort as a breeder who does KC register

Similarly, I know there are a number of imported breeds and breeds such as the JRT which are not registered with the KC in the UK.

Although - I am now swaying towards not seeing any reason why such breeders shouldn't register their dogs on the Activity register which is the same price and works in exactly the same way as the full KC register

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