I've been looking on another forum that also advertises puppies, breeders, owners etc. And there is one breeder that has advertised 8 litters of one breed and 3 litters of another this year!

This site is supposed to pride itself on being a cut above your average puppy advertising site and loathes any one breeding puppies for anything other than "to better the breed" or "for working" etc.

If these adverts aren't from either a BYB or puppy farmer who are they from??

And I thought ten litters at once was bad!

Then you need to report it to the mods of that forum. They don't see every post and if people keep quiet, nothing is done.

I despise people who think they can make money out of breeding. They are the ones who use the cheapest of everything, no health tests, and wonder why every genuine doglover is against them.

Unfortunately, unless the government steps in with a law against it, nothing can be done except educate the public of the risks of buying from these sorts of people. And the government have more important issues, like banning specific breeds and banning people from minding their own business and smoking in their own cars. Surely much more important than the welfare of a few dogs

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Is it definitely the breeder that has the litters and not litters sired by their stud dogs?

It is not unusual for established stud owners to place adverts for pups their studs have sired / have litters due?

As for "bettering the breed" - the site actually says this

Unless you have a numerically very small breed with a tight gene pool, it is only the 'creme de la creme' of breeders who can usually contribute something to 'bettering the breed' - for the rest of us, it's about improving our own lines whilst hopefully not doing anything to damage the breed.

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I spend a lot of time researching my breed and can usually tell a BYB in it for the money a mile off!

These adverts all have the bitches under the same kennel name and stud dogs with different kennel names.

There are regular remarks on the forum about people breeding puppies, and reasons are given why they shouldn't breed. Many times it's stated that it's acceptable to breed a litter if it's "to better the breed".

I agree the mods don't see everything that's posted but this breeder has been posting adverts since 2008.

I am not defending them, I don't know who they are, what breed they are, or where they are - I was merely pointing out that some kennels do advertise their studs pups on the bitch owners behalf.

Was the breeder a commercial breeder? or have a lot of bitches out on breeding terms?

Whether someone agrees with what they do or not, there are subtle differences between BYB and Commercial Breeders.

I don't know what site you are on about, I do know Champdogs don't permit the addition of any litter advert wtihout scrutinising the details first. They would also be looking at the period between litters of a bitch I guess as opposed to the number of litters from an individual kennel.

It's a cliche that gets repeated - a bit like the misconception that you can't register more than one litter from a bitch with the KC within a 12 month period.

Someone who believes they can 'better their breed' is either highly experienced, established and influential or delusions of grandeur about their influence.

For example, a breed where 1000 pups are registered in a year - a breeder produces 5 pups in a two year period - show me where and how they can 'better the breed'?

Now take GSD, Goldies, Cockers, Labs - Labd and cockers 65K registrations between them - the impact on "bettering the breed" will be negligible unless you are 'up there' - but the capacity to damage the breed remains.

You can breed to better your lines, and to minimise any negative impact on a breed - I would never be so arrogant as to believe I could better / improve the breed - a very small fish in a very large pond.

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It does look like they are commercial breeders and I guess they have bitches out on loan, I imagine they would have to with 11 litters in as many months.

Perhaps champdogs needs a review of it's procedures because I know of one commercial breeder who had their membership voided because they were commercial breeders, although they advertised litters rarely on the site.

I have nothing against commercial breeders if they health test and breed within the rules. Its the fact they are advertising on such a sanctimonious site and it seems perfectly acceptable.