Not my breed please

The leonbergers will more than likely be endorsed. Its virtually guaranteed if they were bought in the UK. They need testing for Hips, elbows and hereditary cataract. they also need DNAing for Leonberger Polyneuropathy. There are a few lines in the UK that are carrying the gene for it, especially those with foreign ancestors LPN is a debilitating nervous disease.

Urge them to contact the breeder. They will be desperate to hear that they are considering breeding. (If possible, can you pm me the name of the person they are registered to, will be treated with complete discretion).
Here is a recent survey that was carried out that is showing an increasing percentage of leos that ave needed c sections:
http://www.leonbergerunion.com/ILU%2...y%20survey.htm

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I was hoping you would see this thread Tanya as I think the son is more intent to breed with the leonbergers then the mum with the akita. That is good info to now re the edorsement, conception issues and also potential conditions.

Unfortunatley I couldn't give you any names as that is all confidential (more than my job is worth). I will however dig a little deeper into where he got the leos from and whether he knows of any endorsements.

What are the penalties if he was to break the endorsement?

Tanya or swarthy will have to confirm but I think endorsements can be put on by the breeder on the Kennel Club registration papers when you breed a litter of pups and first register them. Its usually worded something like, Progeny not eligible for registration, and sometimes they put on restraints for export of the pups too. This means that although the Pup is KC registered itself, and usually as long as it was mated with another KC registered dog, their offspring can also be KC registered too. However with the Endorsement,
pups resulting from the dog with the endorsement on its papers cannot be registered. Unless the new owners of said pup, apply to the pups breeder to get the endorsement lifted.

However, I believe it doesnt stop anyone breeding with their KC registered but endorsed pup, it just means that they cannot KC register the result of the mating if they breed from them. Thats why you often see litters where the parents are KC reg. but the pups for sale are not.

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Endorsements don't stop people breeding, and there are no penalties, unless a contract has been signed as well, which stipulates any allowances for breeding plans.

The only thing an endorsement does is prevent KC registration, either here, or abroad. You can still take a dog abroad with endorsements in place, you just may not be able to register it with a foreign KC, I know Swarthy's had one of her pups exported but I'm not sure of all the details and if/how it was registered abroad, if it needed to be. And I'm sure there may well be variations from country to country. I *think* in the US, endorsements are viewed very differently, as they are permanent, or they were the last time I was involved in any discussions about them.

If they were bought locally to you, I think I know

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Cheers guys, in this case then I'm not sure the endorsement would be enought to stop him, but that would just be a guess but I don't think he would be kc registering from what I grasped. I will try to find out more in a couple of weeks.

You could make a point of without KC reg, he will never sell a leo. A few months ago, someone was trying to sell unreg leos. In the end asked just £450 for them (usually £1000) and as far as I know, they still have 4 left (out of 6). They must be 6 months old now.

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Couldn't possibly say unfortunatley

Now I imagine this would be of interest to him, this I will definitly let them know cheers

There are no Leonbergers without "foreign" ancestors Tanya!

Breeders tend to bring in dogs from overseas for breeding to broaden the gene pool and to bring health benefits to a breed which, after the war, was down to very low numbers indeed.