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border collie stud available

i have a lovely gentle natured and well behaved collie and would really love to breed him. all we ask is that we can have one of his puppies. he is a pedigree but not kc registered. he is 6 years old and in good health. he is black and white with medium length hair. any questions please feel free to ask. thanks
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Re: border collie stud available

Has he had all health tests done? There's quite a few for collies!

Just noticed he is not KC registered, is he registered with the ISDS? If not then you won't find any responsible breeder wanting to use him as the puppies cannot be registered either.
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Has he been hip scored, DNA tested for CEA, TNS and CL, been tested for PRA and gonioscopy tested, BAER hearing tested? And were his parents tested? Has he proven himself in any discipline?
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i have a lovely gentle natured and well behaved collie and would really love to breed him. all we ask is that we can have one of his puppies. he is a pedigree but not kc registered. he is 6 years old and in good health. he is black and white with medium length hair. any questions please feel free to ask. thanks
If you are looking for another Border collie pup, might be worth contacting,
Border Collie Trust GB, they are always looking for homes for Border Colllies of all ages, as there are always so many in rescue.
Border Collie Trust GB They rescue and rehome throughout the UK
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i have a lovely gentle natured and well behaved collie and would really love to breed him. all we ask is that we can have one of his puppies. he is a pedigree but not kc registered. he is 6 years old and in good health. he is black and white with medium length hair. any questions please feel free to ask. thanks
why not buy another puppy if you really wanted one and let your dog stay gentle natured well behaved and unused,
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i have a lovely gentle natured and well behaved collie and would really love to breed him. all we ask is that we can have one of his puppies. he is a pedigree but not kc registered. he is 6 years old and in good health. he is black and white with medium length hair. any questions please feel free to ask. thanks
Lorraine, why would you like to breed from him? The reason I ask, is that many people, fall into the trap of thinking that if they breed from their dog or bitch, they will end up with a mini-me of their dog or bitch, which just isn't the case I'm afraid. He may be a lovely, lovely boy, but without knowing his history, and the health relating to him and his history, I'd say just keep him as the well loved pet he is, and source a pup from elsewhere. You won't find any good bitches to use with a non-KC, non-ISDS, non-health tested collie, just people who either can't be bothered, or just want the cash for the pups and will cut corners, is that the sort of person you want to use your dog with? I hope the answer's no.

I have a lovely, lovely Labrador bitch, Indie, she's KC registered, from health tested parents, fabulous nature, and, although not the brightest spark, she does have good ability. I've had so many people comment on her lovely nature, if I could clone her I would be a richer person than I am now! I chose to have her spayed, for a couple of reasons. She suffered a cruciate injury aged 18 months, I could go in depth about the various reasons why dogs suffer cruciate problems, genetic vs circumstances, but in this case, Indie ruptured the one cruciate in a freak accident (so the condition hasn't shown itself to be bilateral which is more likely to be attributable to the conformation of the knee joint and therefore possibly a genetic condition), and she also has high elbow grades. The high elbow grades are questionable, the vet mucked up one set of plates, and took another with Indie sedated rather than under GA; unfortunately, I wasn't aware of the BVA appeal procedures, and didn't bother until too late, at which point I was given short shrift by the BVA as they don't like to admit they would grade plates that aren't acceptable.

Do I regret my decision to have her spayed, not one bit, doesn't make me wish any less I couldn't have taken a litter from Indie, but she deserves a responsible choice, and I hope I've done that for her. I had a waiting list for pups, even knowing her elbow grade, and I know I made the right decision in this instance. Not once did I think I'd end up with another Indie, that would be impossible for a start, I just don't think the laws of physics would allow it

Please think twice about using your dog at stud, there's such a lot to consider, apart from health tests, co you know enough about bitches to handle a mating? You need to be prepared to possibly do an internal examination of a bitch, coerce a mating, and you need to develop a thick skin for those who choose to blame the stud dog for any problems that arise. Also, you need to consider, if you don't health test, whether someone may choose to sue you should any resultant pups suffer genetic conditions that could have been avoided.

As you are probably guessing, it's a lot more than just dog, bitch, puppies, voila; unfortunately, many people don't go about it the right way, but a lot of people are working hard to try and eduate would be dog breeders to ensure they know what's entailed, and make a more informed decision about whether to go ahead or not.
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