There is a huge difference between a dog being rehomed because of hte owners change of lifestyle/_____put excuse/reason here.

However a rescue/welfare dog...NO. Most of the time they dont come with their pedigree's/papers (even from a breed rescue) so its unlikely you will know the parentage of the dog or its line.

Most rescue/welfare dogs have been through enough by the time they reach the home that its unfair to breed them.

Most rescue/welfares only give a estimate of the dogs age thus you never know the true age of the dog meaning if you were to breed it (possibly its first time) you may be putting a old dog in danger.

When we got Scorcher for example 1 vet thougth she was 6 years old the other thought she was 9 years old. It varies.

In my Breed ( Groenendaels) a dog was found wandering the streets in North London in 1989- he was handed to BSDA Rescue where he was traced back to his breeder via his microchip - this dog became 'Joker' (CH Out Of The Gloom ) he won 21 CC's and 9 RCC's and BOB at Crufts 1991. He was a Champion Stakes finalist and a Veteran Stakes finalist finishing in 3rd place. And he also won into Test C in Obedience.

He was used at stud and became the founding dog of the well known dual purpose Groenendael Kennel 'Belpetilon' - Joker sired pups that went on to become show champions as well as winning in Obedience and Agility -

But having said all this Joker's case was rare - he was exceptionally well bred and his breeder held all his paperwork and of course knew his lines - but I still think it was an amazing story - from street dog to Best of Breed at Crufts in 2 years !!

Completely against rescued dogs being bred from and in most cases rehomed dogs being bred from too. The kinds of dog that DD, Swarth and Bijou are talking about - show/working dogs that change hands are rather different, but the majority of 'rehomed' dogs come from people simply not wanting their pet anymore. Being on this forum and seeing the number of people who have got their dogs 'secondhand' and not through rescue has really come as a shock as I didn't realise the number of people that gave up their pets just because they didn't want them anymore. Yes, I'm aware of rescue (I've been a volunteer for rescue for many years), but simply the number of people selling on (or rehoming) their pet. I'm totally against breeding of these dogs too. Apart from anything else, the chances are they are not good examples and have come from byb.

I suppose you have to ask on where you draw the line between "rescuing and rehoming".

I'm not sure where I'd draw the line personally. I think each case has to be treated separately, I don't think you can categorically say "Yes or No".

I definitely don't agree with breeding from any dog that has come through a rescue centre/ breed rescue (most are neutered anyway unless for medical reasons, in which case they shouldn't be bred from anyway ). But occasionally someone (a breeder) runs a dog on even for a few years, but doesn't want to use them in their lines and has new up and coming youngsters, so they rehome the older one to a family/ breeder to include in their lines or to a pet home.

It may not be a case that the dog is no good for breeding/ of poor breeding quality, but maybe the dog doesn't have the breeders "stamp" and isn't the breeders type (although would still do well). I will use the example of Leos. McCartney is my "type" of Leo, for me, he is what made me fall in love with the breed. One of the top Leos, although I can admire that they have good conformation, isn't my type. I'm just not a fan of the lines. There is nothing wrong with them, all health, temp and conformation are good to excellent, plenty of winners and prolific dogs in the lines. The breeder is good and ethical and I would recommend them to anyone who asked advice on where to look for a puppy, but personally, I wouldn't go to them for a puppy, because for me, again, they just aren't my "type". Which as mentioned above, could be a reason a dog is "rehomed".

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I have heard and Seen (on programmes) that in america if a young pup is in rescue it can be rehomed once its desexed. On one show pup was 9 weeks old and "desexed" was a tiny pug.

I was shocked and horrified at how young he was.

as for rescues coming through a shelter No they shouldn't be bred from and should be spayed/neatured by the rescues before being rehomed IMO

Dogs chaning hands via breeders etc then yes i can't see a problem with breeding as long as the history is known etc etc etc.

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I know someone who has recently (within the last couple weeks) gotten an adult (but still young) bitch. I do not know the circumstances of the rehoming, but she is on Full AKC registration. This bitch went into heat just days after being with her new owners and in her new home and they are breeding her this very heat. Their reason for breeding from her now is that on the next heat cycle (bitches in the same home tend to bring each other into heat), this person is breeding two litters.

I very strongly objected to this, but everyone else seems to be egging her on. She claims the bitch is getting on nicely with the rest of her pack (toy breed, so quite a few other dogs in the house) etc. I thought this could just be the bitch working her appeasement muscles to keep under the radar so she isn't hurt or noticed as a "threat" by the other dogs. I also pointed out the fact that you really can't get a handle on the dog's personality and temperament in such a short space of time, and also that a bitch in whelp needs to trust anyone that will be assisting otherwise you risk being bitten, causing undue stress on the bitch etc....

Any additional thoughts? If you were rehoming a bitch/stud that you were allowed/plan to use for breeding purposes, what sort of time frame would you give the animal to settle in?

Yes, to confirm that, over here any pets in SPCA shelters (which are of the kill variety) are spayed/neutered pretty much on arrival, no matter how young. Tiny baby kittens they'll wait until the weight is enough--our Pippin and Gwennie were done at 7 or 8 weeks. We don't have a lot of rescues of the no-kill sort over here, which is a shame. Every time someone suggests taking something to rescue, I cringe a little, just because over here it's not very nice and there's a huge disparity in quality of conditions depending on the area.

Sorry--back on topic....

Again, I personally don't think that's something you can put a time frame on.

One would assume if she has taken her in from another breeder, it may well be on some sort of breeding terms - and it's quite possible she is close to the breeder and knows the dogs temperament well - I know the breeder of two of my dogs (same person) very well, and wouldn't hesitate if I was fortunate enough to get such an opportunity.

It also depends on the living environment the dog is going to - if they are going from kennels to kennels - then the chances are the adaptation would be quick and seamless.

If the dog was going from kennels to house or house to kennels - there could be quite a considerable bedding in period - two of my oldest dogs literally didn't 'speak' to me when we put them in kennels when we went to Dubai - they are much more your "comfortable settee" type dogs - the youngest three - even though they live inside, have used our own kennels and are completely unphased by them - so would probably adapt quite easily.

In answer to your question, personally, I would probably wait a season - but I don't think you can pigeon-hole the scenario - some bitches cycle once every 18 months - others can be every 5/6 months (and of course anything inbetween) - so with the latter you have many more options than you do with a long cycle bitch who will have a very small breeding window.

Even then, if I felt there was anything the bitch wasn't happy about - I wouldn't mate her - and that goes for any bitch.

I tried to mate my bitch (already had one litter - this would have been her last litter) - to our own dog. Great combination physically and on paper, waiting list as long as my arm - but she simply wasn't having any of it - on that basis we have decided that as things stand, it's unlikely we will ever try taking another litter from her (I won't say never - but i think it's unlikely - my waiting list were spitting feathers - we had already put it off once because of my dad being ill / passing away) and they had all waited despite this

Her little sister however is the tart from hell - thankfully my boy's ardour wasn't dampened by his earlier rejection (just me being rushed into hospital mid spot on fertile period - so I strongly suspect no babies this time either )

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I recognised the name as soon as I saw it I knew Joker I still know his owner she has helped me a lot with Simba and has suggested that my Amber's problems are because she needs to do something like agilty as she is too clever for her own good.

My Freyja came to me as an older bitch because although I already had a brrod bitch in Tegan Freyja's breeder wanted to give us the chance to have a dog with a very succesful show history. She had already had a litter who were doing extremely well in the ring. So yes she was rehomed but she came to me as a brood bitch but was shown until we were ready to breed from her.

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