You are trying to tell me about health testing? but of course, us show people know nothing

ALL my dogs are hip and elbow scored, PRA and CNM tested and if used for breeding, have annual eye tests.

Not sure where your 'lab in surrey' is from - Optigen goes to the US (and costs a LOT more than £60), CNM goes to AHT.

A KC Registered dog will require the KC paperwork in order for the Annual eye test to be completed and the result issued - something I've mentioned in virtually every single post - as they do not have the paperwork, how can they have had the test done?

The only way they would have had the other tests done is by advising the vet and BVA they are testing the dog as a non KC registered dog.

These are points YOU seem to be missing - I know exactly how and where to get the tests done, I am asking a reasonable question in how they have been able to test this bitch without the necessary paperwork.

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Unless the bitch is micro-chipped or tatooed, how can the breeder be sure this is the bitch she bred? There must be hundreds (maybe thousands) of brown/chocolate/liver Labradors breed, so identifying one that you bred/sold must be difficult

I doubt if the Kennel Club will get involved - the pup was sold without papers originally, so what can they do?

ok the KC can help. They can not adn will not give out the registered owners details BUT if youhave the right detaisl they can confirm they are the details they hold. If not you can leave your details with thema dn they will send them on to the registered owner so that person can contact you.

I would also suggest the mismate jab. She needs all the Health tests and how can you be so sure that these tests that you have said she has done are in fact hers. you can't be you'd have to get her done yourself!

Sadly this world is one where you can not trust anyone. I have just brought a puppy and even though i know she is registered i refused to collect her until her paperwork arrived Lucky for me though shes not due to come home yet shes too young and her paperwork arrived yesterday. so when i drive out next sturday everything should be ready to come home.

I made that mistake before we came home with our KC reg bitch without her paperwork to find out that it was all a laod of rubbish and they had never registered her. i parted with a lot of money for a kc Reg dog but never ended up with that.

you learn my mistakes if your friend/brother is serious then i will suggest mismate, sorting out what ever way they can to get her paperwork and make sure there are no endorsements do all the health tests themselves and not rely on others becasue as you can see they lie for money.

then start again on the right foot if that is what he wants to do but do it right stop everything now and then get it all sorted out and start again.

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Sorry, Swarthy, much as I hate to disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure that the Kennel Club would NOT lift the endorsements in this case. They will lift endorsements for the original puppy purchaser IF the breeder has not made the purchaser aware of the endorsements (so it is ESSENTIAL to get a puppy purchaser to sign documentation to acknowledge that they do understand about endorsements!).
However, if the puppy is then sold on to another purchaser then the argument is between the original purchaser and the second buyer. (Or in this case between the third purchaser and the second person.) Otherwise it would just provide a loophole that anyone could use to get endorsements lifted.
Sorry if that's not very clear!

I use endorsements myself and am well aware of the inferrences of clarity to puppy buyers - unfortunately, there are loopholes

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Crikey what a mess - I would just like to reiterate that bringing in the 'brown' gene may well not produce brown pups at all THATS why it's so important to really know what lies behind your breeding stock genetically and this is impossible to do without the paperwork ! - I have deliberately mated by Groenendael bitch ( black) to Tervueren dog ( black masked red) because I knew my bitch was homogneous for the colour black and would therefore only produce black - ( which is what I want albeit with a wider gene pool )

In Labs, it never ceases to amaze me the amount of novice breeders who mate yellow to chocolate and are surprised to get all blacks in the litter Unfortunately dudleys and misconceptions about mating chocolates and yellows, some people now seem to think any pups will have two heads - making it potentially trickier for those who do it intentionally knowing what colours their dogs carry because it is the best mating possible

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The KC won't touch this with a bargepole. They steer clear of anything that involves a dispute between two individuals.