I am considering buying a dog for stud as i dont think my older bull terrier will be up to it when the time comes I can buy a lovely dog whos huge and a very nice tri colour wich is very saught after, the only fault there is with him is that hes undershot slightly !? you cant realy notice it to much because his lips cover it ! but when i pull his mouth open obviously you can notice it ! Should this affect weather i breed from him ! what i am trying to say is would pups that come from him allso be udershot ?? he is one huge specimen of a bull terrier for only 8months ! anybody know whats the outcome of breeding from him! thanks ****** .

Most owners of bitches which they breed from usually go to a Stud dog.You can use the best available dog which suit your bitches lines,& compliment her in areas she's lacks.I wouldn't consider using a dog with an undershot mouth as that is a fault and may possibly come through in the pups.

Is your bitch KC'd and has she been shown.How do you know she's suitable quality to breed from?

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my bitch is from creddetta show stock is kced with 26 champions in her bloodline ! I did ask few people the same thing last night and i was told differnt things and contridicting opinions now things still aint any clear!

Breeding is a minefield to be honest,Are you still in touch with your bitches Breeder,It may be a good starting point,they should be able to point you in the right direction of suitable studs that compliment your girl and ones that are suitable regarding bloodlines.

As I said I personally wouldn't use a dog with an undershot mouth,also at 8 months he is still a baby so hasn't matured properly.I would use a dog that is a proven stud and throws good quality offspring with proven results within the showring.

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Breeding should be to improve the breed, therefore I would not use a dog that carries any faults.

Just my opinion.

I have a youngster who has both parents and all four grandparents as champions yet she will never be a top winner, (though her sister already has a RCC from the puppy classes). Mine is suitable for breeding from for her positive traits and bloodlines (I TRAVELLED ABROAD TO MATE HER MOTHER).

No matter how good the pedigree the individual needs to be assessed for their quality or lack of. Only about 10% of any pups bred are of the quality to be used for breeding, it is called selection, in nature it would be survival of the fittest, and we use other criteria, type temperament and health.

Has your bitch been Hip scored yet? Has she been BAER hearing tested if this wasn't done when she was a puppy (you should have been given a copy of the certificate if she was). If your bitch is partially deaf (which you would never know without testing) then she has a higher chance of producing deaf pups in her litter, which she could anyway.

I am assuming her temperament is steady as a rock, as otherwise you should never even think of breeding.

I would also show your bitch to see how she compares against her peers.

At shows you will be able to see the top dogs around and see which dogs produce the pups you most admire, especially if their mothers have similar breeding to your girl.

Join your breed club and read the literature available. Past yearbooks are a great source for research. You will see photos of your bitches ancestors, Be a bale to visually see their good and bad points. Get to know their owners and breeders who can tell you more about them.

Once you have this background knowledge, proved the quality of your bitch and had her health tests, you can think about responsible breeding. By then you should have several mentors in your breed who will be all to happy to help when they see you are committed to the welfare of the breed.

If thsi soudns al too much liek ahrd work(it is) then enjoy your bitch, and fi you feel you want another go to a good breeder who will ahve doen all this for you and get another well bred puppy.

Just wanted to add you should never breed from a dog with a mouth fault, this trait will later plague future generations and you can bet it will appear in the best pups, by sods law.

i spoke to bullyveiw today who are one of the top breeders in the uk ! They told me that allthough that its not ideal and it would be better if his jaw wasnt undershot ! he could still be used as a stud dog as long as he was bred with abitch whom had a perfect bight! They all so said that you can even have a bitch and a dog with a perfect bight that will produce undershot or overshot pups! the world is not allways even!

The main reason that dogs are produced from parents with good bites with poor ones is because someone did use dogs with poor bites back in the lines and it Will always out in the end.

there is no reason to use a dog with such a fault when there are exceptional dogs that do not have this fault that could be used instead. That is what selective breeding is about increasing the probability of getting the desired characteristics not taking unnecessary risks of producing faults.

The only justification for using a dog with such a fault would be if he was so outstanding, the last of his line without the benefit of his genes the breed would loose something vitally important. Then the breeders will have to work hard to eradicate the fault when it next appears.

Better not to introduce it into your lines (or double up on it for all you know it could be there already).

The greatest authority on the Bullterrier is largely agreed to be a Mr Raymond H. Oppenheimer.

Here are some of his comments on breeding on a Friends website: Aritaur Dobermanns - Breeding he is quoted about half way down the page.

The first two points I think make things clear:
Raymond H. Oppenheimer wrote:
1. Remember that the animals you select for breeding today will have an impact on the breed for many years to come. Keep that thought firmly in mind when you choose breeding stock.
2. You can choose only two individuals per generation. Choose only the best, because you will have to wait for another generation to improve what you start with. Breed only if you expect the progeny to be better than both parents.

i did stess my conserns to bullyveiw who said In a perfect world with perfect parents would we all be perfect ????????? thats not allways the case is it!

Yep with 3,361 puppies registered with the Kennel Club in 2006 alone there is bound to be one with a correct bite, as well as having other desirable qualities, and having already been hip scored (can't be done under a year of age) and hearing tested.