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Old 09-01-2008, 03:06 PM
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Re: bull terrier breeding help me please ..............

Whats the point in using a stud with a less then perfect mouth on a bitch that has correct bite? It WILL come through the lines - faults always do - find yourself a better stud to use and I echo about tests etc being done before even thinking of breeding. Have you shown her or is it something you would be interested in doing?
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Old 09-01-2008, 05:05 PM
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Re: bull terrier breeding help me please ..............

I do people breed dogs!??/
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Old 09-01-2008, 05:06 PM
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Re: bull terrier breeding help me please ..............

does the money help !!??
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Old 09-01-2008, 05:08 PM
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Re: bull terrier breeding help me please ..............

as i went to a breeders house tonight who had some awsome dogs and he admited to me that allthough he loves th breed ,he does it for the money ! ?? does this make him a good breeder???
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Old 09-01-2008, 05:26 PM
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Re: bull terrier breeding help me please ..............

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as i went to a breeders house tonight who had some awsome dogs and he admited to me that allthough he loves th breed ,he does it for the money ! ?? does this make him a good breeder???
Definatly Not!
Breeding when done properly does not make you money.

So if that was the sole purpose I would avoid like the plague.Breeding should be done to improve the breed,further lines etc,not for money.
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Old 09-01-2008, 05:31 PM
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Re: bull terrier breeding help me please ..............

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I do people breed dogs!??/
I assume you mean why do people breed dogs?

It should be to improve/maintain the breed.
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Old 09-01-2008, 05:46 PM
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Re: bull terrier breeding help me please ..............

Breeding for gain financially is wrong - breeding to improve your breed and lines should be the only time a litter should be born!!!
After paying the stud fee - extra food - bedding, scissors, paper etc etc ( All the things you need to have ready for the birth ) The puppy food and milk etc - injections - extra heating blah blah - not forgetting the health tests to be done before all this and the scans etc that you may choose to have done - there very rarely is a gain - unless you are skimping on something!!!!!!
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Old 09-01-2008, 05:50 PM
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Re: bull terrier breeding help me please ..............

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does the money help !!??

The money helps only in allowing a breeder to do so without loosing the roof over their heads, as in offsetting some of the costs of breeding and maintain their line, and with luck pay a show entry or two.

When money becomes the driving force behind breeding then rather than using the best dog available the most convenient or cheapest dog is used.

Health testing is expensive (and might even rule the animal out of breeding) so the breeder opts not to do it. etc etc.

If it was about money friends and I would not have imported a dog who in 6 years has cost us over £10,500 to buy, quarantine, show and keep.

Stud fees, well all but two of his litters were to our own bitches, and even then we paid stud fees into the kitty to be fair to all partners.

He will never cover his costs as with 8 litters sired in a numerically small breed he has had enough influence on the gene pool.

His daughter I flew to Finland (most of the nice young males were her or her mothers close relatives). Flights and stud fee alone were £1700, and I could have ended up with no pups.

As already mentioned the pup I kept is not a bad sort, but no world beater, but the investment was in the new bloodline. If I had the money I would have tried again, as the other 6 pups (five male) were just what I wanted. Sods law all the males have gone to homes not interested in showing, even though 3 said they would.

Most good breeders keep their retired breeding stock so the couple of litters a bitch had are never going to cover the costs of keeping several oldies as they age and their health deteriorates.

The only way to make money breeding is to breed a bitch often, only keep her while she is useful, cut costs on the best food, health tests, stud fees for good dogs. You would also have to do it often thereby again not doing things properly on the rearing and socialisation. Cheap food little time for human contact and individual attention to the bitches let alone the pups.

It is called Puppy farming, and on a smaller scale casual/irresponsible/back yard breeding.
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Re: bull terrier breeding help me please ..............

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Definatly Not!
Breeding when done properly does not make you money.

So if that was the sole purpose I would avoid like the plague.Breeding should be done to improve the breed,further lines etc,not for money.
so you dont earn any money from it then!?? you do it for free then ..???? pul the other one as its got bells on!
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Re: bull terrier breeding help me please ..............

Have you read all the replies Garry?????? The amount of money spent on doing things the RIGHT way may be recouped once you have sold the pups......
Keep putting the numbers on the lotto - you have a better chance of gaining cash that way!!!!
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