Pet Forums Community

Go Back   Pet Forums Community > >

Dog Breeding Discuss all topics related to responsible dog breeding. Including help and advice on dog breeding issues regarding the mating process, pregnancy issues, post birth issues and all other related topics.

Registered users don't see this ad - Register Now (It's free!)
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 18-03-2011, 07:42 PM
tillywink tillywink is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 38
tillywink is on a distinguished road
Singleton Puppy Scan? Mismate Jab?

A friend had her dog scanned today at either 32days or 26days depending on which mating you go by, and the scan (done by a vet nurse) only showed one puppy.

She is a maiden bitch, and she has been advised to have the pregnancy aborted. I have suggested maybe waiting another 7 to 10 days for another scan and then deciding what to do about the pregnancy if there is still only one puppy showing.

What would you do if you were in her shoes?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 18-03-2011, 08:05 PM
Ridgielover Ridgielover is offline
Pet Forums Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 888
Ridgielover is a jewel in the roughRidgielover is a jewel in the roughRidgielover is a jewel in the roughRidgielover is a jewel in the rough
Re: Singleton Puppy Scan? Mismate Jab?

Who has advised her to have the pup aborted - the vet??
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 18-03-2011, 09:04 PM
swarthy's Avatar
swarthy swarthy is offline
Pet Forums VIP Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: By the sea
Posts: 5,727
swarthy has a reputation beyond reputeswarthy has a reputation beyond reputeswarthy has a reputation beyond reputeswarthy has a reputation beyond reputeswarthy has a reputation beyond reputeswarthy has a reputation beyond reputeswarthy has a reputation beyond reputeswarthy has a reputation beyond reputeswarthy has a reputation beyond reputeswarthy has a reputation beyond reputeswarthy has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Singleton Puppy Scan? Mismate Jab?

How odd - could there be other reasons behind the advice?

I have to say, in my own experience - vet scans are only really of use for confirming pregnancy - not counting the number of pups.

On my first two litters we saw 4 each time, and got 8 and 9 respectively

On my last litter we could only definitely detect one sac - and had 7 pups.

I know Singleton litters aren't ideal - but also, a vet scan I wouldn't have thought would be the best method for confirming there is only a single pup there.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 18-03-2011, 09:23 PM
Marley boy's Avatar
Marley boy Marley boy is offline
Pet Forums VIP Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: kent
Posts: 3,750
Marley boy has a brilliant futureMarley boy has a brilliant futureMarley boy has a brilliant futureMarley boy has a brilliant futureMarley boy has a brilliant futureMarley boy has a brilliant futureMarley boy has a brilliant futureMarley boy has a brilliant futureMarley boy has a brilliant futureMarley boy has a brilliant futureMarley boy has a brilliant future
Re: Singleton Puppy Scan? Mismate Jab?

I know the difficulties with singleton puppies, but i think it is a bit harsh to abort for this reason alone. Like others have said scans are not 100% maybe your friend should see about getting an xray done??? It would be sad if the pregnancy was aborted and there were more than one.
__________________



So why don't you stay for the night? Or maybe a bite?
I could show you my favourite obsession.
I've been making a man with blond hair and a tan
And he's good for relieving my tension
[/COLOR][/B][/COLOR]
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 18-03-2011, 10:18 PM
SharonM SharonM is offline
Pet Forums Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Bristol. UK
Posts: 236
Images: 3
SharonM is on a distinguished road
Re: Singleton Puppy Scan? Mismate Jab?

I would definitely wait, she's either 26 or 32 days from matings, BUT could be 5 days or more less than that depending on when she ovulated and if she is 5 days behind it may have been too early to see all the pups. I have my own scanner and can normally see pups around 21 days, but they just look like black grapes at this age, so can easily be missed.

I would wait and have her scanned again in a week to 10 days time. There is also no reason to abort because of a singleton, more chance of a c-section, but absolutely no reason what so ever to abort, disgusting that your vet should even suggest it.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 19-03-2011, 12:00 PM
Tanya1989 Tanya1989 is offline
Pet Forums VIP Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Midlands
Posts: 7,636
Images: 3
Tanya1989 has a reputation beyond reputeTanya1989 has a reputation beyond reputeTanya1989 has a reputation beyond reputeTanya1989 has a reputation beyond reputeTanya1989 has a reputation beyond reputeTanya1989 has a reputation beyond reputeTanya1989 has a reputation beyond reputeTanya1989 has a reputation beyond reputeTanya1989 has a reputation beyond reputeTanya1989 has a reputation beyond reputeTanya1989 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Singleton Puppy Scan? Mismate Jab?

Ooooh How odd!

I've never used a scan to determine numbers (as such) just to confirm pregnancy and RULE OUT singletons. Had one or two singletons litters and I wouldn't abort the litter (unless it was unplanned). It just means that she has to be more prepared and more of her guard for the bitch "going over".... There is obviously also the risk of C sections..... but the numbers counted on scans are very rarely accurate.

If necessary, It may be worth waiting a few weeks and having her xrayed closer to the date.

BTW, what breed? Some cope better with singletons than other breeds.
__________________
YEP, IT'S ME, YEP, I'M BACK!!!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 19-03-2011, 03:37 PM
xxwelshcrazyxx's Avatar
xxwelshcrazyxx xxwelshcrazyxx is offline
Pet Forums VIP Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: BEDLAM HOUSE LOL
Posts: 27,671
xxwelshcrazyxx has a reputation beyond reputexxwelshcrazyxx has a reputation beyond reputexxwelshcrazyxx has a reputation beyond reputexxwelshcrazyxx has a reputation beyond reputexxwelshcrazyxx has a reputation beyond reputexxwelshcrazyxx has a reputation beyond reputexxwelshcrazyxx has a reputation beyond reputexxwelshcrazyxx has a reputation beyond reputexxwelshcrazyxx has a reputation beyond reputexxwelshcrazyxx has a reputation beyond reputexxwelshcrazyxx has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Singleton Puppy Scan? Mismate Jab?

On Teigans last litter, I had her scanned and they said they could see two puppies, she went on to have just just the one puppy, had to help it out but everything turned out good. I wouldn't abort, some puppies like to hide behind the others so scanning is not always 100%
__________________

siggie by Dawn............Smudge'smummy

Glitter Text Maker
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 19-03-2011, 04:18 PM
Chihuahua Angels
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Singleton Puppy Scan? Mismate Jab?

I was told that my vet could only see 1 puppy on the scan but he said that he couldn't be sure. Just that she was definitely carrying at least 1 puppy (confirmation of pregnancy). I really stressed something awful, as she is on the small side and if there were only 1 pup, it would almost definitely have resulted in c-section. We made plans that if it continued to look like a singleton, we would let her star labour (to get the hormones flowing) but then whipp her in for emergency c-section. A few weeks later it became obvious that there were two pups. Phew, was i relieved.

As for aborting! Goodness, that never even crossed my mind! I don't see that being necessary, so long as you are prepared for possible c-section......
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 19-03-2011, 04:24 PM
Devil-Dogz Devil-Dogz is offline
Pet Forums VIP Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 6,155
Devil-Dogz has a reputation beyond reputeDevil-Dogz has a reputation beyond reputeDevil-Dogz has a reputation beyond reputeDevil-Dogz has a reputation beyond reputeDevil-Dogz has a reputation beyond reputeDevil-Dogz has a reputation beyond reputeDevil-Dogz has a reputation beyond reputeDevil-Dogz has a reputation beyond reputeDevil-Dogz has a reputation beyond reputeDevil-Dogz has a reputation beyond reputeDevil-Dogz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Singleton Puppy Scan? Mismate Jab?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanya1989 View Post
Ooooh How odd!

I've never used a scan to determine numbers (as such) just to confirm pregnancy and RULE OUT singletons. Had one or two singletons litters and I wouldn't abort the litter (unless it was unplanned). It just means that she has to be more prepared and more of her guard for the bitch "going over".... There is obviously also the risk of C sections..... but the numbers counted on scans are very rarely accurate.

If necessary, It may be worth waiting a few weeks and having her xrayed closer to the date.

BTW, what breed? Some cope better with singletons than other breeds.
I agree with all above, and to always be aware of the risk of Uterine Inertia
- this is the failure of contractions during whelping...

This site is good for explaning.. - Uterine Inertia — Samoyed Club of America Education and Research Foundation (SCARF)

There is also the risk of the bitch not producing milk due to the lack of hormones.

Then theres also the risk of a singleton pup getting to fat - as taking all the milk - if a pup gets to fat it can cause whats called 'swimmers', 'swimmers' often can not walk and need therapy to teach them and get them on their feet..

Just be prepared for the worst cases..
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 22-03-2011, 08:17 PM
candysmum candysmum is offline
Pet Forums VIP Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 3,495
Images: 12
candysmum has a spectacular aura aboutcandysmum has a spectacular aura aboutcandysmum has a spectacular aura aboutcandysmum has a spectacular aura about
Re: Singleton Puppy Scan? Mismate Jab?

when my bitch was scaned they counted 6 she had 9. I wouldn't be convinced there was only one until a later scan proved it and then you still can never promise there is onle one with a scan.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Sponsored Ads


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All posts made on this forum are NOT monitored.
All times are GMT. The time now is 06:30 AM.


PetForums is part of the Pet Media group of websites including | Pets4Homes | PetsLocally


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v1.1.7 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like v3.2.8 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.