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Old 07-02-2011, 12:23 PM
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Why oh why do people seem to think that getting a vet check is the same as health tests
Because they are ignorant ...

And I mean that in the truest sense of the word. They haven't a clue about good breeding practice and the implications of the bad

General comment, not aimed at anyone in particular ... Applies to MANY people breeding not only dogs, but cats.
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Old 07-02-2011, 01:38 PM
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No idea.

It costs a small fortune but its worth it to know you are breeding healthy dogs.
Actually - this should read "you know you are doing your best with the resources available to breed healthy dogs" - unfortunately - there are NO guarantees - there is however ways of significantly reducing the risks and increasing the probability of healthy dogs.

Ultimately - it comes down to conscience and caring - if things go wrong, both breeder and owner know that the most possible has been done to ensure those pups are healthy.

Without doing this - the risks are much higher and basically - the breeders don't care and / have no conscience.

But SL as a first time breeder - please be VERY CAREFUL about saying "You KNOW you are breeding healthy dogs" - sadly, this is not the case.

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This post is NOT in any way support of those breeding without testing - testing is essential to produce the best chance of healty offspring - so many conditions are simply not visible to the naked eye (including trained vets)

It is also important so that if / when conditions do arise, you can track them and alter if needed breeding routes and plans.
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Old 07-02-2011, 01:41 PM
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Actually - this should read "you know you are doing your best with the resources available to breed healthy dogs" - unfortunately - there are NO guarantees - there is however ways of significantly reducing the risks and increasing the probability of healthy dogs.

Ultimately - it comes down to conscience and caring - if things go wrong, both breeder and owner know that the most possible has been done to ensure those pups are healthy.

Without doing this - the risks are much higher and basically - the breeders don't care and / have no conscience.

But SL as a first time breeder - please be VERY CAREFUL about saying "You KNOW you are breeding healthy dogs" - sadly, this is not the case.

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This post is NOT in any way support of those breeding without testing - testing is essential to produce the best chance of healty offspring - so many conditions are simply not visible to the naked eye (including trained vets)

It is also important so that if / when conditions do arise, you can track them and alter if needed breeding routes and plans.
Yes, sorry was quick typing what I meant was that you know you are breeding healthy dogs from what they have been tested for, for example CEA - clear.
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Old 07-02-2011, 01:45 PM
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Yes, sorry was quick typing what I meant was that you know you are breeding healthy dogs from what they have been tested for, for example CEA - clear.
As far as you can be sure - but only where DNA tests are concerned - and then (notwithstanding human error) - in some instances there are (at present) anecdotal evidence that mutations are occuring for some conditions - so again - you can only do what you can do - and why it is important that puppy buyers understand this.

That's not me trying to put a negative spin on any of it - I will continue to do the whole complement of tests on my dogs, but having first hand experience of how it can and does go wrong, I know how heartbreaking it can be - so don't raise puppy's expectations too high - or you could be at the receiving end of their wrath
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As far as you can be sure - but only where DNA tests are concerned - and then (notwithstanding human error) - in some instances there are (at present) anecdotal evidence that mutations are occuring for some conditions - so again - you can only do what you can do - and why it is important that puppy buyers understand this.

That's not me trying to put a negative spin on any of it - I will continue to do the whole complement of tests on my dogs, but having first hand experience of how it can and does go wrong, I know how heartbreaking it can be - so don't raise puppy's expectations too high - or you could be at the receiving end of their wrath
Very true. Like I always say when I talk about it with friends "at least I will know my dogs are as healthy as I can". Since breeds have main health problems and small % minor problems which are either not able to be tested for or whatever nothings ever 100%.

Are you taking part in the 20/20 clinic tomorrow?
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Old 07-02-2011, 03:27 PM
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Are you taking part in the 20/20 clinic tomorrow?
No - bit cr*ppy timing for me without considering the near enough £800 I've just spent on health and colout coat testing

There are quite a few clinics coming up, plus Optigen are doing some special direct discounts in Feb
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Old 07-02-2011, 03:31 PM
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No - bit cr*ppy timing for me without considering the near enough £800 I've just spent on health and colout coat testing

There are quite a few clinics coming up, plus Optigen are doing some special direct discounts in Feb
Let me know of these discounts please when they come around, as once we have Aiden's papers we are going to test him.

I nearly didnt do Alaska's as there is another 20/20 clinic about 2 months before we are due to go to stud but we decided to get it over and done with now, then we can plan it out depending on the results.
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Totally agree with the health testing, but I don't agree with this bit:Most studs??? In all the years I've been breeding dogs I have only had to help a stud to hit the mark ONCE. And that was a first timer. I always hold my dogs when tied, but just to reassure them and keep things calm, (often helping them to turn) but not because they could not tie. I'd be concerned if my dogs could not mate naturally.
Ok, lol
Maybe I should have phrased it some studs, it was more of a statement regarding the breeding methods in this post, if a dog was failing to grab hold or indeed penetrating then assistance should be given

Could have worded it much better than I did.... I suppose in a round about fashion I was expressing the point of having an experienced stud handler, who would have known this was required
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