Very occasionally, there can be issues with paperwork (I know of AB's who have had issues with paperwork actually caused by the KC's records being wrong - despite being sent all relevant paperwork) - while I take your comment, it would be horribly unfair to a responsible AB to be penalised for an error actually made by the AB accrediting body.

The point is - a cross will NEVER have KC paperwork - and even if the breeder is unable to hand over the actual registration papers at the time of salem, they MUST issue sale contracts, breeding endorsement and export information, and other advice on raising the puppy - and this must be done in an AB wallet - so - with a small bit of common sense on the part of the puppy buyer - it shouldn't be difficult to establish when someone is 'pulling the wool' as opposed to a genuine reason why the actual registration papers are not available.

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My point is that as there will never be reg certificate "when possible" means a reg certificate never has to be handed over.
The sales contract means nothing and could be written for an x
The only thing I can see stopping an AB breeding Xs is the requirement to give the sales contract in the AB wallet and that is only if the KC check what what litters the wallets are being sent out for.
I along with most people who are in the dog scene know that being an KCAB doesn't really mean anything as it doesn't go far enough and isn't controlled well enough and the good breeders were going beyond the requirements before the KC bought in the AB scheme. The KC can't even get back to me and let me know if a breeder advertising puppies as an accredited breeder is actually accredited. Anyone who is not really into dogs beyond just wanting a pet could easily be taken in by a breeder being accredited and be less cautious than they might otherwise be.

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watch this space. lol have had a reply from KC already ......

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Actually an Accredited Breeder can issue a KC certificate with a cross breed puppy, anyone can. You register them on the Activity Register which is what I did with my cross breed litter which was a genuine cock up. I informed the KC the day they were born and I was notified by my parents and they will appear in the BRS registrations for last quarter 2010.

The scheme does have alot of holes in it still these do need closing up by the different breeds and as pet owners or breeders you can all have your say by contacting your breed clubs by LETTER (as this makes it a formal request) and asking for them to improve your breeds criteria. You can also contact the KC again by letter to ask for improvements to the scheme.

However the scheme in its current format is only a good practise for the breeding of puppies it is not about specific breeds. For an example in Weimaraners you can be a breeder of Blues which is not part of our breed according to the standard and there is no penalty.

If you think an accredited breeder is going against the rules of the scheme then you must make a formal complaint, its the only way that the scheme can be policed but it should also be followed up with a copy of the letter of complaint to the clubs especially if they are a club member with the accolade attached but you should check the criteria for each club as some have no rules regarding breeding.

Accidents do happen and breeders shouldn't be penalised for them but those who are blatantly breeding poorly should be reported because it does the scheme no favours.

I do wish buyers were more educated about the scheme its a good starter but is no exchange for good basic research into the breed and its breeders. You must do your research before buying a puppy!!!

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Had a reply from KC .................................................. .............................................In cases where breeders simply use the word “accredited”, even if this is deliberately misleading KC are unable to intervene as THEY do not have the copyright on the word “accredited”. However, in cases where the breeder is fraudulently claiming to be a “Kennel Club Accredited Breeder”, they will take action.

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The KC have to receive 3 complaints about an AB before they will act upon it.

not according to my reply from them.

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I had similar response they will act on a single complaint but it is better if it comes along side one from the clubs.

I know alot of people don't bother to be club members these days, many don't see what they do for individuals but they come into their own when it comes to complaints, maintaining the breeds and rescue. You don't have to be a member either to use their services but it does help them provide more for the breed if you can support them with annual membership.

If anyone wants some helping joining the Weimaraner Club GB please feel free to pm me or if you have any questions on the breed I'm always happy to help.

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