Puppy farms! :( - Page 2

tashi · #11 (**permalink**) 29-11-2010, 06:40 PM

Can I just point out that these surveys will have to be done privately, they could be used against the forum in a legal case

so any answers would have to be moderated to take out some of the information - so best do it privately

Ridgielover · #12 (**permalink**) 29-11-2010, 07:42 PM

And can I just make a comment re your vaccination question? A lot of responsible breeders don't vaccinate their puppies before they leave home IF they are leaving home at around 8 weeks. I don't. Not all vets use the same vaccines and if my vet uses a different vaccination regime to the puppy buyer's vet, then their vet may make them start the whole course again. (This has just happened to a friend who purchased a lovely pup which had been given its first jab by its breeder) Also I prefer my puppies' buyers to take them to their own vet within a few days of purchase.

Of course if the pups are staying with me until after 8 weeks, I will start the course.

Burrowzig · #13 (**permalink**) 29-11-2010, 08:04 PM

thank you guys!
the questions are:

Experiance (with puppy farm dogs or dogs bought from a breeder.
Spelling - experiEnce.

What location did you buy your puppy from?
A working sheep farm in west Wales. Not a puppy farm

Do you know the name of the farm or breeders?
Yes, but I'm not putting it here.

what was the environment of the house / garden like in comparison to where the puppies were kept?
Like a normal farmhouse, I only went in the kitchen and utility. The farmers very kindly put me up in a caravan on both visits.

what was the puppies enclosure like?
A stable with straw on the floor

how did the puppies appear? was the owner happy to answer any questions you had about any of the puppies or their parents?
Pups were fine, any questions answered

were you able to view more than one puppy and any of their parents?
Yes the whole litter, both parents and some of the other farm dogs

were you provided with proof that the puppy had had it's correct vaccinations before going home with you?
No, at 7 weeks when I took KIte home she wasn't vaccinated

how old was the puppy when given to you? did they have written proof of when the puppy and it's litter mates were born?
7 weeks. No written proof, but it fitted in with size of pup on that and my previous visit, and placement of advertisement

was the puppy healthy? (e.g weight, diet)
Yes, fine

since having the puppy has he / she been 'ordinary' or has he / she had unusual behaviour? (i.e tail chasing, difficulties with people, seperation anxiety. have any of these things improved with age?)
No problems, unusually calm if anything. No nipping even as a little pup, great with people and other dogs, very easy to train. House trained by 18 weeks.

do you feel that the way the puppy was kept has affected him / her for their future life?
No - apart from maybe the kind way she was treated has contributed to her friendly nature.

please state if the dog has any habit you may feel are abnormal or has and unusual dietry requirements (wont eat some foods) or anything you feel has affected the dog from the way she was kept within the first weeks of their life.
Nothing

Tanya1989 · #14 (**permalink**) 29-11-2010, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MastiffLove

thank you guys!

the questions are:

Experiance with puppy farm dogs or dogs bought from a breeder.

What location did you buy your puppy from?
Norfolk

Do you know the name of the farm or breeders?
Yes

what was the environment of the house / garden like in comparison to where the puppies were kept?
Tidy, but not spotless like a show home etc... looked lived in rather than the minimalistic approach. Not messy though... Looked like a normal house.

Puppies were kept in the kitchen and had their own garden away from the big dogs (so not to get injured) but where they could see the big ones through the fence.

what was the puppies enclosure like?
They had the entire run of the kitchen (but the cabinets were protected) from 5 weeks they had free access to outside and were house trained.

how did the puppies appear? was the owner happy to answer any questions you had about any of the puppies or their parents?
Very lively, boistrous, nice shiny bright eyes, erect tails, constantly playing with each other, leaping on toys, tugging... Very curious and eager to meet people (and nip them)

were you able to view more than one puppy and any of their parents?
I viewed the entire litter and mum. I also viewed dogs from a previous litter (repeat mating). I viewed mum's sister, and had an appointment arranged through the Breeder to view the stud

were you provided with proof that the puppy had had it's correct vaccinations before going home with you?
No vaccinations, but I was given a veterinary certificate, saying that the puppy had been inspected twice and had shown no signs of illness at either appointment

how old was the puppy when given to you? did they have written proof of when the puppy and it's litter mates were born?
KC Registration (although not proof- a pretty good idea of accuracy) 7 weeks and 4 days

was the puppy healthy? (e.g weight, diet)
Was a monster puppy. Nice chunky, well weighted, healthy looking pup up to no good.

since having the puppy has he / she been 'ordinary' or has he / she had unusual behaviour? (i.e tail chasing, difficulties with people, seperation anxiety. have any of these things improved with age?)
No problems associated with behaviour, a couple of health problems but they were triggered by being fed poison! Has been health tested (as bred from) and all well within the breed allowances

do you feel that the way the puppy was kept has affected him / her for their future life?
Definitely. proper upbringing from day one. Well balanced dog now

please state if the dog has any habit you may feel are abnormal or has and unusual dietry requirements (wont eat some foods) or anything you feel has affected the dog from the way she was kept within the first weeks of their life.
Will eat anything he is offered (much to my disapproval)

Thank you guys! this is REALLY appreciated!

Hope this helps a little... any more don't hesitate to ask

MastiffLove · #15 (**permalink**) 29-11-2010, 10:20 PM

thank you to the two who have done this

any problems with it being legal then can you email me please ? ws206230@email.weston.ac.uk thankyou

claire & the gang · #16 (**permalink**) 30-11-2010, 10:10 AM

Experiance with puppy farm dogs or dogs bought from a breeder.

What location did you buy your puppy from?
breeder

Do you know the name of the farm or breeders?
yes

what was the environment of the house / garden like in comparison to where the puppies were kept?
pups were initially in house then outside occassionally when older, kennels where their other dogs kept outside was in as good condition as the house

what was the puppies enclosure like? pups were kept in freedom puppy pen until in their feed then has run of heated conservatory

how did the puppies appear? was the owner happy to answer any questions you had about any of the puppies or their parents?
pups alert & healthy, owner appeared very knowledgeable , able to answer all my questions..not phased by anything i asked

were you able to view more than one puppy and any of their parents?
all puppies,both parents & all their other dogs

were you provided with proof that the puppy had had it's correct vaccinations before going home with you?veterinary certificate of health, vaccinations given, microchip details & docking certificate

how old was the puppy when given to you? did they have written proof of when the puppy and it's litter mates were born?8 wks old.written evidence in vet letter from the inspection at 1 days old too.Also provided weekly dvd of the pups so all prospective owners could see progress, as well as encouraging visits

was the puppy healthy? (e.g weight, diet)solid chunky pups, dietary advice given, weeks food provided same as weaned on

since having the puppy has he / she been 'ordinary' or has he / she had unusual behaviour? (i.e tail chasing, difficulties with people, seperation anxiety. have any of these things improved with age?)all have been confident happy pups, growing into easily trainable, well adjusted dogsto add another note my mum has a dog who came from PF we rescued her from the woman who had "mail ordered her"couldn`t cope & was having to keep her in cupboard under stairs as her older dog kept trampling her, she was just over 6 wks then so must have been taken from her mother at approx 4-5 weeks old, she is now 4 yrs old but has continued to suffer seperation anxiety ( we presume from the start she had

do you feel that the way the puppy was kept has affected him / her for their future life?in my dogs cases i think they had an excellent start which has made good dogs

please state if the dog has any habit you may feel are abnormal or has and unusual dietry requirements (wont eat some foods) or anything you feel has affected the dog from the way she was kept within the first weeks of their life.

shazalhasa · #17 (**permalink**) 30-11-2010, 05:49 PM

These answers are for our youngest poochie Tux

Quote:

Originally Posted by MastiffLove

thank you guys!

the questions are:

Experiance with puppy farm dogs or dogs bought from a breeder.

What location did you buy your puppy from?
Portsmouth

Do you know the name of the farm or breeders?
Yes

what was the environment of the house / garden like in comparison to where the puppies were kept?
Just a normal house on farm land but not a farm.

what was the puppies enclosure like?
Puppies were free to roam around the house and garden

how did the puppies appear? was the owner happy to answer any questions you had about any of the puppies or their parents?
All clean, happy, healthy and confident. Answered all questions openly

were you able to view more than one puppy and any of their parents?
Both parents, a previous puppy and the litter were all together in the house.

were you provided with proof that the puppy had had it's correct vaccinations before going home with you?
We had the pup early at 7 1/2 weeks so no vacs done

how old was the puppy when given to you? did they have written proof of when the puppy and it's litter mates were born?
7 1/2 weeks, DOB on KC reg paperwork

was the puppy healthy? (e.g weight, diet)
Yes, very healthy and well looked after as were the other dogs owned

since having the puppy has he / she been 'ordinary' or has he / she had unusual behaviour? (i.e tail chasing, difficulties with people, seperation anxiety. have any of these things improved with age?)
He was a proper little show off when we saw him and is still a proper little show off. The full litter were very confident with the adult dogs and when we brought him home he had no problems getting right in and mixing with our 4 dogs.

do you feel that the way the puppy was kept has affected him / her for their future life?
In a way yes. I do believe that being born and raised in the company of the other dogs in the house and having free roam (supervised) with them is what made him as confident as he is.

please state if the dog has any habit you may feel are abnormal or has and unusual dietry requirements (wont eat some foods) or anything you feel has affected the dog from the way she was kept within the first weeks of their life.
Will eat anything

Thank you guys! this is REALLY appreciated!

CheekoAndCo · #18 (**permalink**) 30-11-2010, 07:17 PM

I'll do one for all 3 of mine but dif colour for each.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MastiffLove

Experiance with puppy farm dogs or dogs bought from a breeder.

What location did you buy your puppy from?

Airdrie
Glasgow
Glasgow
Do you know the name of the farm or breeders?

No but know the name of the 'kennel'
Yes
Yes

what was the environment of the house / garden like in comparison to where the puppies were kept?

Didn't see inside the house. Were taken to a building outside with all breeds of dogs kept in individual pens with saw dust. Everywhere was well kept looking but weren't allowed any furhter than the puppy building.
Pups housed in a spare bedroom for first few weeks then gradualy introduced to the other dogs living in the house
Pups in puppy pen in living room and introduced to other dogs in the house

what was the puppies enclosure like?

Spotless
Clean but obvious it homed puppies. Toys, food, water etc to keep them all happy
Same as above

how did the puppies appear? was the owner happy to answer any questions you had about any of the puppies or their parents?

Timid and unsure of the 'breeder'. Told parents were out a walk and no more questions were answered
Crazy in a good way! Happy to answer questions even by text etc.
Same as above and also phone to ask anything I've forgot to ask

were you able to view more than one puppy and any of their parents?

Saw his sister but parents were on a 'walk'
Saw all of the litter, mum, all the other dogs, pictures of dad, grandad etc.
Only pup left but was only 2 in litter. Saw both mum and dad plus the rest of the dogs and cats.

were you provided with proof that the puppy had had it's correct vaccinations before going home with you?

No
Decided to get the vaccines done on my own incase of vets using different ones
Yes got vaccine certificate

how old was the puppy when given to you? did they have written proof of when the puppy and it's litter mates were born?

Supposed to be 8 weeks but now I've saw pups at 4 weeks old it's very obvious he was more that age. No proof
7 weeks and 6 days. KC reg documents.
12 weeks. Saw pictures on fb etc of him as a pup and KC docs again.

was the puppy healthy? (e.g weight, diet)

No. Mites/fleas and worms
Healthy and happy
Same as above

since having the puppy has he / she been 'ordinary' or has he / she had unusual behaviour? (i.e tail chasing, difficulties with people, seperation anxiety. have any of these things improved with age?)

No. Fear agression and agression when being groomed but it's understanable considering where he came from.
Been fine. Just as crazy as his mother! When he sees his tail he will chase it but that's only because he's crazy.
Been the same as above really. Happy and crazy!

do you feel that the way the puppy was kept has affected him / her for their future life?

Yes. Conditions he was kept in before coming to this country or as a young pup means lots of health and temprement problems
Not in a negative way. He's happy around his own breed etc.
Same as a above but is anybodys friend if they talk to him.

please state if the dog has any habit you may feel are abnormal or has and unusual dietry requirements (wont eat some foods) or anything you feel has affected the dog from the way she was kept within the first weeks of their life.

Thank you guys! this is REALLY appreciated!

MastiffLove · #19 (**permalink**) 01-12-2010, 12:12 AM

thank you so much guys! this is so very helpful!

Bijou · #20 (**permalink**) 01-12-2010, 04:57 AM

I think you've missed out some important questions such as:

" were your pups parents health tested and did you see the health certificates ?"

"were you given a contract and will the breeder take back the puppy/dog if required ?

" did you recieve advice on feeding, worming, excercise and caring for your pup and did the breeder provide any after sales care and support ? "

" is your pup KC registered and did you recieve the registration papers when you bought him ? "

" how many different breeds did the breeder have " ?

...anyway here are my answers to the questions :

Quote:

Experiance with puppy farm dogs or dogs bought from a breeder.

What location did you buy your puppy from?
private home - Marseilles France

Do you know the name of the farm or breeders?
yes

what was the environment of the house / garden like in comparison to where the puppies were kept?
pups were raised in a heated utility room next to the kitchen - it was a typical busy family household

what was the puppies enclosure like?
clean, warm with a separate sleeping area and acess to an outside run where the breeder had provided toys and other things for the pups to play with - 'mum' was able to visit the pups when she wanted but was also able to jump out whne she wanted a break., clean water was available and the floor wass covred with newspaper which was changed often !!

how did the puppies appear? was the owner happy to answer any questions you had about any of the puppies or their
parents?
Happy,warm confident, plump without being pot bellied, healthy coats, skin and eyes . breeder was more than happy to answer any questions about both parents and had sent photos of both prior to my visits - I also saw the helath certs of mum and copies of dads health certs.

were you able to view more than one puppy and any of their parents?
saw the whole litter and mum as well as 'gran' and other dogs that the breeder had bred.

were you provided with proof that the puppy had had it's correct vaccinations before going home with you?
I opted to have all vaccinations done by my own vet as many vets inisist on starting the course of vaccinations again irrespective of the fact that a pup may have already been given it's first (( a course of vaccinations usually finishes at 12 weeks which is a bit old to take a pup home in my opinion )

how old was the puppy when given to you? did they have written proof of when the puppy and it's litter mates were born?
8 weeks and yes I was given a copy of the pedigree and registration papers showing the date of birth

was the puppy healthy? (e.g weight, diet)
yep - I had her hips tested 4 years ago ( 4:4) and she has passed her annual eye test for hereditary cataracts for the last 4 years - she's also epilepsy free .

since having the puppy has he / she been 'ordinary' or has he / she had unusual behaviour? (i.e tail chasing, difficulties with people, seperation anxiety. have any of these things improved with age?)
as ordinary as a Belgian Shepherd can be !! - seriously she's been a pleasure to own with the most wonderful laid back temperament

do you feel that the way the puppy was kept has affected him / her for their future life?
yep - the litter was raised as part of a busy household with lots of visitors and other animals - her breeder only specialises in this breed and breeds very little so was able to lavish loads of time on the pups -this has definitely impacted on her temperament.

please state if the dog has any habit you may feel are abnormal or has and unusual dietry requirements (wont eat some foods) or anything you feel has affected the dog from the way she was kept within the first weeks of their life.
no abnormal habits but see above for the positives !

Thank you guys! this is REALLY appreciated!

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