Chancepixies Animal Rescue is a UK national registered Charity set up not only to save the lives of those dogs and other animals that are in need now, but to work to stop them from being unwanted and abandoned in the first instance!

Mission:Help us reduce the amount of un-wanted dogs that are dumped, abused and abandoned in this country.

We believe that the way forward to stop the pain and suffering is to unite the general public, rescues, breeders and owners and to promote responsible breeding and ownership through ‘fit for breeding' tests in the UK.
We have a love and a passion for dogs and we will work alongside other organisations, enthusiasts, breeders, professionals and the general public, to educate owners, reduce rescue, reduce irresponsible breeders, put an end to puppy farming and reduce the number of dogs that are being needlessly destroyed in the UK!

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I fully support the petition. I think this country definitely needs to step up to the plate and adopt fit for breeding tests amongst other legislation to protect our canine companions!

Does'nt the Kennel Club's accredited Breeder scheme cover most of these points already?.................and how would breeding legislation be enforced ?

Personally I don't think the answer lies in legislation but in education - if puppy buyers ONLY bought from responsible breeders then there would be precious few dogs in rescue - all the time that people choose the cheaper and instantly available option puppy farmers and the subsequent rescue crisis will remain.

There is no political will or indeed funding to enforce new legislation -and make no mistake it would need to be enforced - puppy farmers will not be shamed into giving up - they will only give up when their market no longer exists - which is why I'm not holding out too many hopes for the newly formed Dog Breedng Advisory Council headed by Sheila Crispin-they can 'advise' until they are blue in the face and not a single thing will change unless we put some REAL effort into educating future puppy buyers.

Not a fan I'm afraid, nice in theory, but in practise?

You're right, far too many dogs are bred and born in this country, why? Because the demand is there, and if it isn't, then those cute puppies are soon easily saleable to Joe Public.

Joe Public needs to change their purchasing habits, there is no other way to stop irresponsible breeders. ANY legislation will most likely hit the responsible, as well as the irresponsible. Does Joe Public want to change their buying habits? Not from my experience, because buying a pup responsibly entails more work, and possibly more cost, than buying irresponsibly.

You only have to look at the buying habits of Joe Public when it comes to fashion, to realise they don't mind supporting the unethical when it comes to their pocket. I'm sorry, but any rules will only, ever apply to people who care about rules. So any legislation you try and introduce to stop people breeding, won't work. That's not defeatist, but realist, you only have to look at other legislation to see that people flaunt the rules in all walks of life, it only affects those who are responsible in the first place.

In no way does the petition say they want to stop everyone from breeding. They just want something in place to protect the dogs moreso than the flimsy bits and bobs in current legislation. There's laws out there to protect farm animals, why not cats and dogs?

This doesn't just apply to the Kennel Club, I think they are after government legislation to provide for any dog produced by a breeder. If handled correctly, it could be of great value towards aiding the rescue crisis we currently have. What's so terrible about having something like the ZTP (germany) in place? Working dogs must be conformationally sound and have the appropriate hip scores alongside temperament testing before being allowed to produce litters in Germany. No puppy can be registered from a litter without the ZTP on the parents if I remember correctly.

nothing terrible at all .....but.... .. hip scoring and other health testing costs ( I've just paid out over £200 having hips and eyes tested for my youngest bitch ) - temperament testing and conformation assessments take time and effort - these are all things that good breeders already do ( plus taking back any dogs they have bred ) - this kind of commitment means that good breeders breed less frequently and their pups cost more - a double whammy when there is the huge market for cheap instantly available pups " after all they'e just going to be pets ".

I don't know what the puppy farming stuation is like in Germany - perhaps there is not an alternative source of cheap 'instant' dogs there.

They have something similar in France - and guess what?

they STILL have Puppy farms

the sooner people grasp the fact that

a) Puppy buyers didn't buy from PF
b) Prospective puppy owners didn't buy on a whim
c) Fancy crossbreeds are not a panacea to a healthy dog
d) Health tests alone don't make a good breeder
e) If we start breeding 'by numbers' alone, most gene pools will quickly be in a hell of a mess
f) Legislation will hit solely responsible breeders - the large majority of which are hobby breeders
g) Such laws are completely un-enforceable

I've said it before, and I will continue to say it - the people who can stop the PF tomorrow if they wanted to are puppy buyers - quite simply by stopping buying from these people who churn out out poorly bred after poorly bred puppy.

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People really should be very careful what they wish for - legislation is at best unenforceable.

The ONLY legislation that has succeeded in recent history is the smoking ban - and then only because it is so damn public that no-one dare flout it - even though it has led to a massive rise in people drinking MORE at home, pubs closing down all over the place - and probably an overall increase in alcoholism

People STILL use mobile phones in cars
People STILL fly tip
People STILL drive without insurance
People STILL Drive without MOTs
People STILL steal cars
People STILL murder and rape
People STILL abuse children
People STILL steal from security conscious department stores
People STILL commit suicide
People STILL speed when driving

All the above are illegal - they all have stringent laws - but who enforces those laws? if the laws are so good - why are people STILL able to get away with these things?

Any laws brought in will undoubtedly be flouted by those that flout the existing laws - while the responsible breeders either abide or give up altogether

There will STILL be a demand for puppies - and who do you think will fill it?

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What you need to know before buying a Labrador puppy

Was reading an article in Dogs Today where they suggested a puppy tax of say £30 per pup which every breeder had to have, in exchange breeders would receive paperwork and the details logged on a central database. Breeders could only then legally advertise their pups and would also have to agree they would do their utmost to place the pups in suitable homes.
After sale the paperwork goes with the pup, like a car reg doc and details changed to new owner. If ever the pup is returned the breeder can recoup the money.
Anyone not paying the tax could be done for tax evasion by the Inland Revenue.

Also a universal puppy contract, like used in Sweden, would require specific breed requirements, health tests updated when new tests are developed, veterinary checks etc. to be signed by both parties upon sale. The new owner required to take out insurance which would also include any court costs should the breeder have failed to adhere to the contract by selling a pup that later develops health problems due to unhealthy/non health tested breeding stock. The breeder is responsible for three years from date of contract for any avoidable health issues arising to the pup/dog in question. If the breeder is found guilty of knowingly producing a pup which could have health issues in that time, they would be taken to court and have to pay all costs and any ongoing medical care the dog requires. As this is a legal document (unlike ours) they are seeing less health related issues amongst dogs bred over there.

Wonder if it will ever be tried over here.

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Flynn - Kali - Britches - Bruce - T-Bo - Marty



"For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack"

Once again ideas where the BREEDER has to put their hand in their pocket.

I do everything in my power to produce healthy pups - spending huge sums on health testing and raising them - I pay for registration - I pay for pedigrees - I pay for microchipping - I pay for worming etc etc tthe list goes on - I don't mind doing any of this in pursuit of trying to do the best I can.

Now - on top of all this - we might have to pay AGAIN.

When is anyone going to wake up and smell the coffee and realise that it is the PUPPY BUYERS who should be taking more responsibility,

Whichever way you dress it up - if Puppy buyers didn't buy from PF - they would have no purpose for breeding.

But - NO - lets put even MORE costs onto responsible breeders

Pretty soon - hobby breeders won't be able to breed - end of conversation - and THEN try tackling a problem which WILL get bigger not smaller Because £30 a pup will be a drop in the ocean to money grabbing PF who churn out puppy after puppy - and guess what? they will probably breed EVEN MORE puppies to compensate

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As for 'preventable' conditions - that's solely those that can be DNA tested for - because none of the other conditions can be guaranteed.

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What you need to know before buying a Labrador puppy

A step in the right direction to try and curb BYB's and PF's though as tax evasion is a serious business. Good breeders won't need to worry as they will have done everything in their power with health tests etc. and the cost can be added to the price of a healthy pup.

If it's showing less inherited health problems in Sweden surely it's better for all breeds and that's what everyone wants isn't it?

Educating the public is not going to helps pups born from un ethical breeders, they'll still do it and what will then happen to the pups? But if they have to face the Inland Revenue/court costs they may think again.

Someone said on another forum that people buy pups and most don't want to wait, hence they go to the free and get them straight away. With good breeders they have to go on a waiting list and sometimes are not accepted at all, so will still buy from a bad breeder just because they are guaranteed to get a pup. They don't even consider health tests, more what they want and want it now!

£30 may be a drop in the ocean to PF's but they will still have to breed from health tested stock or face court costs later on and the medical costs of that pup/dog for it's entire life.

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Flynn - Kali - Britches - Bruce - T-Bo - Marty



"For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack"