There are plenty of people who aren't bothered whether the dogs is KC registered.

I don't think you can compare the UK to Sweden. They have a very different attitude to dog ownership - they also have a different attitude to teenage pregnancy and don't have the numbers of teenage mums that we have here!

The Swedish rules you refer to apply to KC registered dogs and most will only consider a KC registered dog. Not so here. There are still crosses bred without the rules - my Swedish lodger's mother had one such litter However, it is attitudes towards dog ownership that are different, not the law.

If only................

Can I ask a question? If you consider this workable, why hasn't it worked with pit bull ownership and breeding in the UK? The DDA was introduced in 1992 - it made ownership/breeding/selling of pit bulls illegal. Those already in existence were allowed provided they were registered and neutered (so not being able to breed). If people didn't want to break the law there would be no pitbull (or their crosses) in the UK. Any surviving would have been pups when the Law was introduced and so be 19 years of age - a stretch for most breeds. If people don't break the law - how come there are so many still around and so many being bred?

What would your suggestions be to stop over 100,000 dogs being killed every year, Chancepixies sees both sides, we breed pedigree working and show Dobermann and rescue dogs from death row. We would be happy to take on both responsibilities.

Take a look at this video, these were the last dogs we rescued from wales, PF heaven, yet we sell our puppies to responsible people willing to work with us throughout the dogs life to ensure no troubles are had, behaviourally or circumstantially. May i also add, if if we were able to contact the breeders with these dogs then we would be able to home much more easily.

Welsh Death Row Dogs
Chancepixies Animal Rescue

On this link you will also see Chancepixies response to the proposed Puppy Farm Legislation

So do alot of other breeders. Us being one, we do transport runs, donate to rescues and do foster for two - as well as breed show dogs. I know of many breeders within our breed that also breed to keep a show pup but also work very closely with rescues.
Not all breeders believe that there is no rescue problem, we all know there is.
problem is its not the ethical breeders that are adding to that problem - its the unethical lot, and the ones adding to the resuce problem are the ones that will find ways around any laws you want to try and enforce.

I'm on the other side of the fence here - had a litter sprung on me at 7 weeks gestation, didn't know they'd mated. Tried to do the best, health tested mum & dad after I knew of impending litter, mum after pups left. So in a way a kinda BYB myself One of "that lot" if you like!
Did everything in my power to find the best homes, even spayed the one bitch pup and one remaining boy at 7 months to protect them. Contract (though useless really) stating possible health issues so no breeding and pups to be neutered, endorsements on all pups. I have been lucky in that my buyers are now my friends - purposely made it that way by constant support and contact. All remaining boys now neutered.
However I did have a pup returned to me at two years of age and completely agreed with why they returned him - didn't really but didn't want them feeling guilty and not bring him back.
I would be devestated if any of these ever ended up in rescue and if there were a way it could be guaranteed all pups would return to their breeder, I think it would be wonderful.

Like you say, you bring a pup into this world you owe it to the pup/dog to continue to be there for it - regardless, but you can't always trust people to be open and honest if they want to re home it in the future, so some sort of breeder identification would be a good thing.

Bringing any life form into the world carries responsibilities, just recently a thread on here showed an 11 year old Malamute up for re homing. Luckily there weren't many breeders of them around then and Mal breeders knew her line - she is now back with her breeder.
They say on that forum "If you can't take a dog back anytime between 6months to 12/14 years of age you shouldn't be having a litter" I think that's right!

PS. Couldn't watch your video - sorry - too emmotional for me!

Just like to add that PF's & BYB's are breeders too and yes I do believe that all breeders should have to put their hand in their pockets for health tests, DNA tests, legal contracts and puppy tax (if it were aplicable) take a dog back regardles of age and have to support owners, if needed, throughout the dogs life. Legal requirements.
Everyone always blames the PF and BYB, of course they are the main problem but you only have to look at the BRS to see that many ethical breeders also breed far too much. Not all breed to keep a pup for showing and some breed multiple different breeds with litters in every edition. Not all ethical breeders are as ethical as they'd like you to believe, being part of the ABS is no guarantee that they are not over producing. Even healthy dogs can and do get over bred!

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