Endorsements

deborah1978 · #1 (**permalink**) 20-11-2010, 06:17 PM

How many of you place endorsements on your pups I do. I have had quite a few emails off people saying that when they are paying £500 for a pup they should be able to do what they like with it

I health test my dogs before I breed and I endorse to protect my dogs and their pedigrees

rocco33 · #2 (**permalink**) 20-11-2010, 06:33 PM

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I have had quite a few emails off people saying that when they are paying £500 for a pup they should be able to do what they like with it

Those aren't the sort of buyers I would want to be attracting. I would be grateful they have said that because at least they have saved you time in vetting them.

PS - where are you advertising the litter as I do think that may be related to the kinds of responses you receive.

Starlite · #3 (**permalink**) 20-11-2010, 06:35 PM

I dont think it matters where you advertise, you will always come across one or two with such thinking

All pups should be endorsed imo, offers a little protection to your pup

DKDREAM · #4 (**permalink**) 20-11-2010, 06:40 PM

i am not yet a breeder but i will endorse future pups.

swarthy · #5 (**permalink**) 20-11-2010, 06:45 PM

I have to say I agree with Rocco - having said that - I've never had anyone take exception to the endorsements provided they are clearly explained and the requirements for lifting them written in black and white.

I don't advertise mine as endorsed - but do a lot of filtering of puppy buyers first and then explain - I've never had anyone back out as a result of these - and all but a handful of my pups are now neutered.

I would imagine a lot of people won't even know what endorsements mean (and in the States it has a VERY different meaning if they may be trying to find out online) - not knowing could also create a lot more superfluous calls if they were advertised as endorsed.

Do the endorsements come with requirements for lifting them? is that made clear?

shazalhasa · #6 (**permalink**) 21-11-2010, 12:05 AM

We put endorsements on ours and the conditions for me 'considering' lifting them. The whole thing about the endorsements was explained to all new owners.

shazalhasa · #7 (**permalink**) 21-11-2010, 12:07 AM

We put endorsements on ours and the conditions for me 'considering' lifting them. The whole thing about the endorsements was explained to all new owners.

swarthy · #8 (**permalink**) 21-11-2010, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by shazalhasa

We put endorsements on ours and the conditions for me 'considering' lifting them. The whole thing about the endorsements was explained to all new owners.

Have you tested that through the KC?

Don't you stipulate what requirements you need for lifting them?

Requirements for lifting breeding endorsements should be black and white - if these requirements are open to interpretation - the potential is there to lift them without the breeders consent.

If I bought in a dog, with a long list of health tests to perform which met requirements - and was still only a 'consideration' - I would be very angry for having put the dog through unnecessary risk and also having spent a not inconsiderable sum of money.

Conditions for lifting endorsements which are ambiguous can cause a lot of discomfort and bad feeling for a fair few people - and IMO should be avoided, both as a breeder and a puppy buyer.

ETA - if it is your intention never to lift the breeding restrictions, this should also be spelt out in black and white and in all instances, whether you lift them or not - ensure there are two copies - one of the puppy owner and one of the breeder - signed by both parties

moboyd · #9 (**permalink**) 21-11-2010, 10:05 AM

I endorse all my pups, I wouldnt want to attract people that had issues with this to be honest. pup owners get a contract that clearly states in what circumstances I will lift the endorsements,

Mo

shazalhasa · #10 (**permalink**) 21-11-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by swarthy

Have you tested that through the KC?

Don't you stipulate what requirements you need for lifting them?

Requirements for lifting breeding endorsements should be black and white - if these requirements are open to interpretation - the potential is there to lift them without the breeders consent.

If I bought in a dog, with a long list of health tests to perform which met requirements - and was still only a 'consideration' - I would be very angry for having put the dog through unnecessary risk and also having spent a not inconsiderable sum of money.

Conditions for lifting endorsements which are ambiguous can cause a lot of discomfort and bad feeling for a fair few people - and IMO should be avoided, both as a breeder and a puppy buyer.

ETA - if it is your intention never to lift the breeding restrictions, this should also be spelt out in black and white and in all instances, whether you lift them or not - ensure there are two copies - one of the puppy owner and one of the breeder - signed by both parties

I did ring the KC and they were OK with my wording of 'consider' as it shouldn't be just down to good health test results.

It is in black and white on the contract that the dog should be a good representative of the breed, so if a new owner is constantly picking faults in the dog or the dog gets illness after illness then there is question of the dogs quality and you have to ask yourself what you're contributing to the breed by breeding it.

I don't believe that anyone should just assume that restrictions will be lifted just because they've had a clear eye test and 'proven' that the dog is a good representative of the breed just because they've qualified for Crufts by being the only dog in the ring

Surely a lot more thought than that should be given when deciding to breeding.

As with most breeds, there are enough problems without creating more.

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