Have just copied this text off Pets4homes,
Never heard of anyone just letting there dog with whatever will do the job, I know i would`nt, is this usual practice, ??





Full pedigree Shih Tzu, 2 black and white left 1boy 1 girl. litter of 6. No Papaer work but full pedigree. the reason being is because our bitch was to leggie to lock with the stud full pedigree. and the breeder told me that they have to lock in order for it to be sucessfull. in her kennel she had 4 male stud. they all had a go and it never got locked so i thought she not pregrent. but over time she was showing lots of symptom so i took her to the vet. the vet said they dont always have to lock. my bitch she had 2 brown and 4 black and white. Beacuse we dont kn who was the stud and feel vey unfair if we got the paper. WE Can gaurentee is full pedigree. you can tell whwn you see the puppies. No time Wasters. ready to pick up before x'mas. 4 weeks old today (18/11/2010).

I know this isn't your dog - but if what they are saying is true -

The stud dog is having them over big style.

Those puppies need to be DNA tested to establish parentage - if they ALL had a go - it;s quite feasible she could be pregnant by all four.

and if both parents are KC registered then the pups can also be registered correctly once DNA tested (it would show as four litters for the bitch if there are four different sires)

And - IF TRUE - the Stud dog owner should be banned from standing her dogs at stud - NO TIE needs to take place for the bitch to get pregnant - preferable yes - but not mandatory,

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Well i thought it was awfull but wasnt sure if it did go on, i just know i wouldnt of let my girl through the trauma of it, it sounded to me like the owner just wanted his stud fee what ever it took,

But if the stud dog owner has KC registered dogs - I cannot believe he let all four stud dogs at the poor bitch - and is now refusing to allow registration

a) the clearly don't know the procedure
b) they have presumably got a stud fee and now not fulfilling their part of the bargain

There are ao many reasons posted on here which show why standing a dog at stud are so complicated - but to allow FOUR dogs to try and mate with the bitch

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Ohhh dear - things just get worse in the breeding world. All puppies, and possibly sires should be DNA tested.

I am defo questioning the motives behind the owner of the stud's'. I mean its ony thing choosing a stud that you believe is well suited to your bitch and him not doing the 'job' so going off to a second picked stud, but how the hell did this stud owner, own four dogs that were well matched to the bitch to even try them all. Seems like the litter was just bred for the sake of it, the bitches owner didnt care who the sire was, and the studs owners didnt care what dog was used and long as they got their money.

As this advert says the stud owners 'kennel' It would be intresting to know what sort of breeders these people were, if they are show breeders, possibly on the accredited breeders scheme. Either way they sound far to dodgy for my liking.

Everyone should know dogs can take from 'slip matings' - sperm travels. Likewise everyone should know more than one dog can be the sire to a litter of pups, if more than one male mated with anyone bitch.

All these 'newbie' breeders should be doing a hell of alot more research before putting their bitches lives at risk!

they could just DNA each pup & dad to see which one is which, wouldnt have taken long if done at birth would have been sorted now!

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You should wait until pups are around 4weeks, and weaned before swabing them for the DNA test. Also they should be away from mum (not suckling from her) for a few hours before the swab is taken. Results only take 2/3 weeks to come back though so there is no excuses

Would they need to be chipped before DNA testing as well?

They would presumably all have to be separated out for a couple of hours if using swabs - but it CAN be done - and if the woman's dogs (even all four of them) are the litters sires - they can be registered.

I do agree that bitch owners should be doing more research - but there IS at times, misperception about the need to tie in order for the bitch to get pregnant - but IF (and I keep saying IF) what they say is true - and they are inexperienced at visiting studs - you would tend to assume (and in law rightly so) that the stud dog owner was the more experienced.

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Nope they dont require you microchip..(cant remember about the adult dogs, but certainly the puppies didnt have to be).. You just put them down on the form with pet names. People could 'cheat' I guess, But I would hope any breeder taking the time to DNA test would follow on with the correct information.

Yes you can register split litters with the KC. I am led to believe that not so long ago breeders where mating bitches with more than one stud at a time on purpose, instead of using a different stud each time. As they would get pups out of them all in one shot!

I think it sad that some stud dogs owners are not clued up on breeding themselves yet are offering a service to other people not clued up - I mean lets face it, they are providing a service when studding their dogs out. I am worried about the amount of new/inexperienced breeders out there that have no help, and turn to people who they expect to know the ins and out of breeding, to just be done over like this.

I in no way feel sorry for the breeder in the advert but I do kinda feel the situation she is in is not her fault, just the mis leading of them she trusted, and expected to know more about breeding than she did. It shows she lacked in her research, but it wouldnt be a first.

Yes - I agree - I am still dubious about what's been said - but in the same breath - it's so elaborate - it's hard to believe someone could make that up.

I am not an experienced stud dog owner, but I hope I know enough from breeding my own litters and taking my own girls to the stud / assisting with other matings - that I could guide someone - and if I can't - then I have a lot of experienced people I can turn to.


Having said the above - it still surprises me how many people think dog matings are all hearts and flowers - when in reality - the facts are often a lot more basic than that

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