was reading something that made me think of questions. I know my feelings but am intrested in yours.



Would you use the same stud dog twice, before seeing how the first litter had grown and developed?

If you are a stud dog owner would you stud your dog out to two bitches owned by the same person...weeks apart? I know I wouldnt and I personally hope no ethical breeder would.

I am slightly worried that people are breeding more than one litter at a time - Before getting an understanding of the problems that can occure.

I am also slightly worried that someone using the same stud to two seperate bitches is doing so because they can not get another stud for what ever reason, lack of health testing, poor quality of the dogs and so on...


whats your thoughts?

No - I can honestly not think of any good reason to do it.

I wouldn't use the same stud dog twice regardless anyway. Why? Because if you cannot get what you want from a mating why would you repeat it, and if you get what you want from that litter, you have already produced something good enough for the gene pool - why would you need to produce more of them?

To me, simply using one stud on several bitches or the same stud once again, simply smacks of churning out puppies without any thought behind it.

In the event that someone does that though (not something I can see the point of), then at the very least they should wait until they see how the pups turn out before repeating the mating. I would expect the pups to be at least a year old and old enough to be health tested (hips/elbows) as well.

I have used the same stud 3 times an 2 different bitches. Both the stud and the bitches belong to me. I took advise and studied the pedigrees of both bitches and also have homes booked for pups. The older bitch came into season and was mated. 2 weeks later the other bitch came into season. This bitch only had seasons every 12 months and people had already been waiting for 12 months I took the decision to mate her too.

Yes I had 18 pups but I was thrilled with the pups. All went to pet homes with several owners deciding to show them when they were old enough. Those that did go into the ring all did well. One of these maating resulted in my Angel. When the pups had matured I did a repeat mating on one of the bitches which resulted in my twins. These 2 also went into the ring and everyone has said they are the best 2 pups I have had.

Saying that I would never mate 2 bitches together again and I would not let anyone use one of my dogs one more than one bitch. If someone used my stud and the pups went on to prove themselves then I would consider letting the bitch owner dong a repeat mating if they asked.

Of the 2 litters I had together apart from the dogs that went into the ring one also proved to be an exellent dog in the lure coursing field and also as a working dog.

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Midge - 8/2/11 - 10-2-11

I have neighbour who studs her boy out to anyone Lhasa apso ,has had no vacanations he is now nearly 3 yrs old has fathered 5 litters, 2 of them on her own bitch 1 litter born on the December next in August only doing it for money

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Exactly what Rocco said

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Would you use the same stud dog twice, before seeing how the first litter had grown and developed?

NO NEVER

If you are a stud dog owner would you stud your dog out to two bitches owned by the same person...weeks apart? I know I wouldnt and I personally hope no ethical breeder would.
NO!!!
I am slightly worried that people are breeding more than one litter at a time - Before getting an understanding of the problems that can occure.

I am also slightly worried that someone using the same stud to two seperate bitches is doing so because they can not get another stud for what ever reason, lack of health testing, poor quality of the dogs and so on...


TRUE. MANY PEOPLE CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO TRAVEL TO USE A SUITABLE STUD , INSTEAD USE THE NEAREST DOG

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I personally would only repeat a mating if I felt the offspring that occurred in the first mating were of such great quality (such as whole or nearly whole litters gaining Champion titles or obtaining working titles etc) that I felt I could justify the repeat.

I do not think new breeders should be allowed to produce more than one litter in a 12 month period. I think new breeders should be limited to one litter a year for the first 2-3 litters, via the AKC. If this rule were found to be broken, their KC standings (affix, ABS etc) would be revoked. Breeding is NOT something people can just jump right into.

Breeding a litter *properly* takes PATIENCE and a lot of hard work. Just because you "don't think" that your bitch is pregnant, doesn't mean she actually isn't, real scans and real blood tests need to be undertaken to determine a pregnancy. A good handful of peoples' "intuition" does not equate proper scanning or blood work! If you were wondering if you (or significant other) were preg, you'd check with a DR, not rely on a friend's "Yah, you definitely aren't pregnant", would you?

This is also why I will NEVER advocate selling littermates together. Just the fact that you have the same "pedigree combination" waiting in the wings should your first choice bitch fail, that's just wrong on so many levels imho. I know of responsible breeders who have littermates, but most have been there and done that when it comes to the breeding scene. I even know a responsible breeder who lost a litter due to unforeseen circumstances with one littermate (the show "type" of the two bitches), and she decided to use the same stud on the sister on that bitches' next season after carefully weighing up whether he suited this bitch as well. Pedigrees can mesh all you want, but sometimes the phenotypes (physical appearance) just don't!

I think giving one bitch in whelp and her puppies the due diligence, care, and attention they need is enough work for one breeder for 5 or so months (stud, gestation, whelp, raising puppies).

I would really like to see my suggestion of new breeders only being allowed to produce one litter per year in order to secure their standings with the KC, that would really IMHO solve loads of problems and make the newbies think twice about making careless decisions when it comes to breeding practices.

you're only targeting KC reg 'd dogs if you appllied that practice , what about all the byb's mating bitches every 6-8 mths ?. churning out litter after litter all the time

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The government would have no real way to enforce it though. The Kennel Club would, at least for its members. Unless we go all Canada on the Dog-Breeding world here and put to law that no dog can be sold as "purebred or pedigree" without being registered with the Kennel Club? That would really put a damper on the byb's and DLR club breeders too!

I believe in Canada, if you are selling purebred or pedigree puppies, then you MUST supply the new owners with CKC (canadian kennel club) registration.

No - definitely not!

Again, no definitely not! I do not think that having litters close together is a sensible thing to do. If you put your heart and soul into breeding a litter, then you are asking a lot of yourself (let alone all other considerations!) to be able to do this. And how likely is it that the same dog is the best possible choice for 2 bitches owned by the same person?? To me it reeks of very poor practice on the breeder's and the stud owner's parts. I would be very dubious about their motives.