The problem is that new breeders are plasticine, they can often be moulded to think any practice is the norm and good breeding practice. Even those who have thought long and hard and have done their research may feel pressurised into questioning themselves if some experienced breeder(s) gives another side to the argument.
Some new breeders are 'know it alls' so take no-ones advice but for many others it really depends on the mentor or mentoring/breeding group he/she finds herself among.
New breeders are often unaware of a breeder's standing in the breeding community, they do not realise that this "wonderful" puppy they have just been sold is from a line no-one would touch or that the breeder is a known charlatan.

So if any "mentor" decides she can make more money selling two breeding littermates instead of one and who can get her stud used twice instead of once, she is not going to worry about how the new breeder is going to cope with two litters at almost the same time. She may regularly have multiple litters so thinks nothing of the pressure on a new breeder with only 2 litters.
However, by advising the new breeder to wait till after the first litter she may lose a stud fee, if the new breeder decides breeding is not for her, or genetic issues show up or the new breeder sees a better stud somewhere else in the meantime.

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I think you raise some very good points and even with great dogs, the stud fees can be attractive.

However, I don't think there is an excuse for someone not doing their research. More information is available because of the web now than ever before.

I think the biggest problem is that many of those new to breeding are wearing rose tinted specs and simply want cute puppies. They may think they are doing it right, but (not sure how to put this tactfully but...) their sentimental desire for puppies can cloud their judgement.

Brilliant post.... I feel pretty much the same.

Just like you I would be very dubiours of their motives, and question why they were breeding in the first place, what was they trying to gain? and aim for?..
Still I dont believe that the same stud could improve on both bitches. I would want to wait and see the quality of the first litter first, how well pups did in the area they were bred for. But I dont think the same dog would need to be used twice.

Im curious as to what you think of these breeders who buy stud and use it on their girls until they can no longer reg his pups?

I have a kennel in mind but obv is an open forum

They see nothing wrong with it and neither does the breed community apparently

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I don't agree with anyone over using a stud. I am a strong believer on only using the best matched dog you can get on your bitch.

there's a lot to talk about about multiple litters/repeated matings same stud etc... however i would to stress one point that seems very important to me as it affects breeding but many other areas as well
the fact that there is a lot of information available on the web (now more than ever) is a bit of a curse to be honest...more often than not the source of such "information" is not known or not reputable, open to multiple interpretations and in most cases plainly misguiding.

i see misuse, abuse and plain fantasy quoted from the web (apparently reputable sources) everyday in my line of work and this has sadly been on a rapid increase in the last 12-15 years... ask any doctor or lectures they'll tell you of patients that go to their surgery and expect a course of action seen on wikipedia or on one pseodomedical article or course-essays based on some information found on the web... that bear no scientific enquiry at all, something like the charlatans of last century...

i guess that education in discerning the sources is a must these days...unfortunately as many study are confirming, the source is rarely questioned and the methodology to collect information is at best patchy (usually non-existent)...



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I do feel that the internet can be very misleading and it is almost possible to 'prove' anything if you want to look at a subject in a biased way, by quoting someone's opinion on the internet.
However the internet can show all sides of an argument if you research long enough and a discerning person can make up their own mind.

The worrying thing about mentoring by some breeders or some breeder opinions is that the opposite view may be totally lacking, so getting a truly balanced view may be difficult unless a person looks deeply into the subject themselves.

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