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Old 15-11-2010, 07:47 AM
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Mongrel v pedigree

I have been wondering for some time what peoples oppinion was on all this
cross breeding,
I hope i dont get shot for this but , firstly i do understand as iv been told that pedigree breeds suffer more ailments so by crossing them it keeps these illnesses down, as i know when i was growing up we had mongrels at home and so did most of my friends, quite rare if someone had a pedigree it was like "wow", & all our dogs where healthy ,
but years later went on to show & breed welsh cobs & the breeding lines where so important to me, so we could trace back & keep the lines going ,not using any unregistered stock.& would have to pay good money to get these lines , Which you didnt mind as you had that breeding,
& same now with my shih tzus yet again the lines are important, you have the kc papers for your dogs to know youve got pedigree stock, yet now we have all these crosses , be it 1st cross or not & can and are selling in some instances for more than the pedigree, & at the end of the day 1st cross or not there mongrels, dont get me wrong i love all dogs i just cant get my head around the fact that my friend has just bought a" jackapoo" for over £400 im amazed, hes lovely i know But .... i hope i havnt offended anybody but do you see what im trying to say.. hopefully someone can explain it to me.
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Old 15-11-2010, 09:40 AM
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Re: Mongrel v pedigree

We were the same when i was little, although we had greyhounds we also had a heinze 57 who we never had any problems with, many people say that cross breeds dont have the health problems which you get with pedegree dogs however it can go the other way, you can end up with twice as many problems as if both breeds have problems either can show up in a cross of the breeds. Pedagree dogs are great as long as you get from health tested parents that way you know you more likely to avoid health problems in the future, i would also say and this is just my opinion but alot of these people selling designer cross dogs for stupid high prices are in it for the money and are not doing it from health tested parents,so you stand to have health problems in the future, now i know some do test the parents and im not in anyway saying they dont but you get what i mean
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Old 15-11-2010, 09:52 AM
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Re: Mongrel v pedigree

Sadly people believe cross's are more healthy than pedigree dogs which if badly bred could be true however MOST breeders are good breeders who breed pedigree dogs for health rather than just for looks they health test and ensure that their lines are not bred with ill lines within their breed by endorsing any puppies.

I have 3 pedigree dogs and 1 cross breed, the cross breed has been in worse health than the 3 pedigree dogs put together.

If you take a for example gsd and cross it with a collie you have a fair chance of it having the same health problems as both breeds such as AF and CEA/PRA.

Again there are healthy cross breeds but most cross breed breeders dont health test like pedigree breeders do.

My only issues with cross breed breeders are:
-They rarely health test their dogs so could well be selling very ill dogs.
-They are contributing to the large number of cross breeds in rescues.
-They make up fancy names and charge ALOT for them, such as cockapoo (£700), puggle (£600) and lately I have been seeing alot of Sprollies (£250, £300).

In the 90's they just refaired to them as a cross now they are fancy cross's.

Its sad because they dont health test, they dont care about the health of the dog they just want to make some money.

(Not saying all cross breed breeders but MOST).
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Old 15-11-2010, 09:52 AM
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Re: Mongrel v pedigree

In my opinion I think pedigree dogs are healthier, as long as they are from carefully bred health teted parents. There are many studies on pedigree dogs but how can you do a study on a mongrels that are all different. More health problems are reported from pedigrees as it is hoped something can be done to prevent problems getting to big with specialised breeding programmes. This cannot be done with a mongrel again as they are all different. we have 3 dogs 2 pedigree and 1 mongrel. Our pedigree dogs (touch wood) are healthy dogs. Our cross breed has grass allergy /food allergy and is no where near as calm and balanced as our other dogs. We have raised them all the same but he has got the 2 very different breed characteristics Gundog/staff terrier, and this has proved challenging in training as he has what you may call the most awkward characteristics of both breeds. Its always down to personal choice but remember not to believe all you hear about cross breeds being healthier they can often have 2 lots of breed health problems.
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Old 15-11-2010, 09:58 AM
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Re: Mongrel v pedigree

The comments that get my goat,like
'More health problems are reported from pedigrees as it is hoped something can be done to prevent problems getting to big with specialised breeding programmes.'
Explain what can be done, and how?
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Old 15-11-2010, 10:20 AM
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Re: Mongrel v pedigree

I have a Cavapoo and Cockapoo.

Cockapoos can sell from good breeders for around £700-850!

Now whilst there are good & bad breeders in both Pedigree and Crossbreed breeders, Why should a crossbreed fromPedigree parents be less than a Pedigree? the costs are similar? ( except you can't KC register)

My dogs all have pedigree parentage and some health tests done on the parents too.

My Cavapoo breeder is mainly a cocker spaniel and Cockapoo breeder. Her sires and dams are chosen for their looks, personalities and have health checks. They all come from a long line of pedigrees.

I class Crossbreeds differently to mongrels as usually these are the mating of two pedigrees of known parentage whereas mongrels are mixed of not known parentage.
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Old 15-11-2010, 10:27 AM
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Re: Mongrel v pedigree

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I class Crossbreeds differently to mongrels as usually these are the mating of two pedigrees of known parentage whereas mongrels are mixed of not known parentage.
Why? I understand that its because mongrel's are unknown breeds but like I keep saying in the 90's and before the 90's a cockapoo would be called a mongrel.
In the 90's a family friend had a accident litter of labradoodle's but back then she just sold them for £20 each as mongrel's and the ones that didnt sell she gave away.

Why would someone breed cavapoo's may I ask? Surely if you like cavaliers just get a cavalier. If you like poodles just get a poodle?

Or am I missing something? (Not having a go, just trying to understand).
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Old 15-11-2010, 10:34 AM
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Re: Mongrel v pedigree

Years ago,they were mongrels.So they should still be now.Whats changed?
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Years ago,they were mongrels.So they should still be now.Whats changed?
Designer names came along with high prices.

Allow me to show:
Chug : £300


Cocker - Pei : £200


Chi-poo : £450


Boxador : £250


Hug (Aparently husky cross pug)


Jug : £300


Pug cross sharpie (Ori pei)


Peek-a-poo


Weimardoodle


Now is it me or are some of these cross's just silly?
To me I love german shepherds and shelties but I would NEVER cross them, I like them as individual's so I will keep them that way.
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Old 15-11-2010, 10:49 AM
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Re: Mongrel v pedigree

Good god.What eye sores some of those dogs are.The names are ridiculous too.
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