But is that not just how genetics works? A recessive carrier mated to a clear will give 50% normal and 50% carrier.
Two recessive carriers will give statistically 25% affected, 50% carriers and 25% normal.
Recessives in conditions that cannot be tested for are sneaky, the carrier status in the first generation makes sure the gene is passed onwards, ready to pop up again when the carrier is mated to another carrier.

Hip genetics are not so clear cut as the proven recessives above. It is thought many genes are at work and there is no test for carriers, so as it is impossible to identify carrier status, is it then surprising that two "normals" give an affected every now and again?

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Ohhh I want sister one....heart melting.

Yes I have seen many people use verious products to strenghten the ears cartailage on their pups since in the years I have been around the show ring. Having a breed that requires erect eared dogs, breeders will support ears that are showing signs of being weak. There is nothing wrong with it - but you cant be sure that pups wont have just as weak ears, or infact have stronger ears.

Yes thats exactly how it works, all others in the litter that have been tested are clear. when we had the litter the DNA test for PLL wasnt about, so of course it wasnt done. As soon as it came out we had both parents and our keeper from the litter tested, Dad is clear, mum and daughter both carriers.
All our other dogs (bar a young pup - who is yet to be tested) are tested clear for PLL, so unless we used an out side stud that was a carrier pups would be clear, if we did use another carrier we would test pups at 4weeks, so results would be back in times to leave for new homes, and we would then monitor the pups who also were carriers through out their lives.

cant be that many years ya aint old enough

Depends how many you class many years lol! Only about 5 for me, had been involved with the breed before I plucked the courage to handle me mums dogs in the ring

An agility champion at 2 years old? Can only have been competing for a maximum of 18 months, assuming she started as soon as old enough by the regulations (that's 18 months old), and that the '2 years old' is now nearly 3. So in that short time she's won up to grade 7 and after that also got 3 champ tickets at different shows under different judges. I'd be amazed if this were true.

Well that is what it says on her thread, and no-one has picked her up on it. Maybe its nearly 3, I don't know.

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yep health testing can be a two edged sword - the more dogs that are eliminated from a gene pool because of poor health test results the less genetic choice there will be in a breed ( and this will increase with every new health test required ! ) - I think we will soon be forced to make some difficult choices - the perfect dog has never been born and all lving things come with 'baggage' - we all have to decide on the least harmful way forward when making our breeding plans and look at the long term aims for the breed with each mating we do .