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Old 15-01-2008, 05:21 PM
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but i don't even breed dogs. i was only offering my boy out to stud as he's such a lovely shepherd
Takes two to make babies, you would be a stud dog owner responsible for creating puppies, part of the process of breeding, true the bitch owner would be the breeder.

A stud dog owner has to know even more than a breeder, and also be able to trust the bitch owner is a responsible knowledgeable ethical breeder, as you would have no control of how the pups are reared and whether they were suitably homed.


They not only need to have in depth knowledge of their own dogs bloodlines (health, temperament, conformation and type, and where applicable working ability), but also those of bitches that are coming to their dog, as how else can they advise if the pairing is suitable?.

On top of that they need to know how to conduct a mating, know when a bitch is ready for mating, handle strange bitches who may be stressed.

Your dog I am sure is a lovely pet, but at five months old you have no idea whether he will become a good example of his breed (apart from the colour), an exceptional working dog, or even that his temperament and character will be what they should be, as he is still a baby.

From your other thread and your own admission it would appear you have only a limited knowledge of the breed and breeding, and you think you should be offering a dog at stud?
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Old 15-01-2008, 06:31 PM
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i believe a dogs temperment is how someone raises them. also if i don't or the owner of a female shepherd dosen't want the pups to show then it dosen't matter if they have not had all checks done. a lot of german sheoherds suffer from hd anyway. sometimes you don't even know whether or not they are going to suffer from it until they get to about 8 years old.i already have someone tha has phoned me with a very big white female shepherd and we are letting the dogs meet tommorrow. she is going to come round and see what they are like together. as her female is due on in the next 6 or so months. she's 5 years old and the owner wants a litter from her before she becomes too old and so that she still has a peice of her when she goes
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i believe a dogs temperment is how someone raises them. also if i don't or the owner of a female shepherd dosen't want the pups to show then it dosen't matter if they have not had all checks done. a lot of german sheoherds suffer from hd anyway. sometimes you don't even know whether or not they are going to suffer from it until they get to about 8 years old.i already have someone tha has phoned me with a very big white female shepherd and we are letting the dogs meet tommorrow. she is going to come round and see what they are like together. as her female is due on in the next 6 or so months. she's 5 years old and the owner wants a litter from her before she becomes too old and so that she still has a peice of her when she goes
I'm quite shocked by that post,you don't do health testing to show,you do it to make sure your bloodlines are free from any genetic,hereditary conditions.Not only do you owe that to the unborn pups but also to the new owners.
Insurance will not cover conditions that are hereditary and could have been prevented by careful well thought out breeding.
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Old 15-01-2008, 07:10 PM
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so do humans have all these checks aswell then before they have babies? just incase they have any heredertory diseases.
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so do humans have all these checks aswell then before they have babies? just incase they have any heredertory diseases.
We are not talking about humans,we are discussing dogs.
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yes but it's exactly the same thing wether it be humans or dogs. i know he can't have any checks until he's 12 months. we are getiing him known so that if everything comes back ok then we will have people waiting and get to know them and their dogs first, rather than jumping straight in. and this is coming from a breeder of 2 to a penny staffy's. don't you think there's enough staff's about. nearly every house on every estate has at least one or two because they think they look big with them when really staffy's are not very good guard dogs at all they are loving dogs that love kids and love attention. i know this as my parents had 3 when i was little and i also had one that passed away last year aged 12. and in every rescue rescue they are either full with collies or unwanted staffys.
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yes but it's exactly the same thing wether it be humans or dogs. i know he can't have any checks until he's 12 months. we are getiing him known so that if everything comes back ok then we will have people waiting and get to know them and their dogs first, rather than jumping straight in. and this is coming from a breeder of 2 to a penny staffy's. don't you think there's enough staff's about. nearly every house on every estate has at least one or two because they think they look big with them when really staffy's are not very good guard dogs at all they are loving dogs that love kids and love attention. i know this as my parents had 3 when i was little and i also had one that passed away last year aged 12. and in every rescue rescue they are either full with collies or unwanted staffys.
This is why I'm so against irresponsible breeding,staffords are very popular and a very overbred breed.The fiasco in merseyside last year didn't help the rescue situation at all.Most come from irresponsible breeders and don't resemble what a stafford should look like at all.

We are extremely fussy where we place our pups,we haven't bred a litter for 12 years.We keep tabs on all our pups and keep intouch with the owners.
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i looked at your home page and the pics of your dogs. they seem to have rather long legs? is that right as i thought the original staffordshire bull terier was short legged. mine was also a brindle pedigree and kc registered dog. he wasn't awfully big and very short but he won several rosettes at a few local gala held dog shows.
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i looked at your home page and the pics of your dogs. they seem to have rather long legs? is that right as i thought the original staffordshire bull terier was short legged. mine was also a brindle pedigree and kc registered dog. he wasn't awfully big and very short but he won several rosettes at a few local gala held dog shows.
The original standard stated 15 - 18 inches at the shoulder,the breed standard has changed twice since then, in 1948 & again in 1987 and the height dropped to 14 -16 inches at the withers.It's not actually changed apart from the height,just added too.
Our breed standard states desired height so it's not set in stone,Tyler is 17 inches at the withers,slightly over the standard,Meg is 15 3/4 at the withers so well within the standard.
We don't just go on height,it's about a well balanced dog,with corresponding weight.
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so do humans have all these checks aswell then before they have babies? just incase they have any heredertory diseases.
Well you don't sell or expect someone else to look after your children.

Certainly in the USA peopel have blood tests before marrying.

Those who have known issues in their families Heart, Haemophylia, Retinitis Pigmentosa (similar to PRA in dogs), Breast Cancer, Cystic Fibrosis, spina Bifida are screened, and decisions made on whether to risk having children or terminate preganncies.

Even with randome breeding human beings are affected by many genetic diseases.
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