Confused about this Forum ?????????????

[snoopydo]

I have been Reading alot of the Threads and posts in This section about Breeding....

And I notice that some 'Newbie's' feel left out and sometime patronised when asking for Help/Advise etc...

I can fully understand this....

ok you get a 'New Breeder' on asking for advise and most get Shocking replie's. For example..''Noooo Don't do it....You a new to breeding and will NEVER be as good as me'' attitude. OR There's too many puppie's in the world..

You get all of the 'experts' knocking people ..Where on earth are they supposed to Start? All the 'Expert Breeders'' on here had their 1st litter once...

And the Flip side...When someone puts their ''New puppie pics up''

It's all...awww they are sooo cute..You are sooo lucky...Congratulations..etc etc etc you get my drift.

So it seems it's a case of.... newbie's get knocked...for thinking of breeding...Senior ''older members'' get congratulated on their new litters..

ODD confused:

[Carla-Jade]

pleased i dont want to breed for my girl. 1 of her is more than enough!!!

I believe it is purely based on breed more than being a 1st time breeder. Like there are too many staffies in rescues so the advice would be, please dont bring more into the world at this point.

I am new to breeding, infact I have not even bred my first litter yet. However If you do research, can afford and provide for pups and have homes lined up and health test the members of this forum are more than happy for you.

[Jess2308]

People breeding responsibly are always warmly recieved on the forum whether 1st timers or experienced breeders. Those showing little knowledge, responsibility or care in their breeding are not welcomed in same way. If they are willing to take advice from the very experienced breeders on here then people are more than happy to do that, however, unfortunately recently there seems to be a lot of people who just want to brag about breeding from unhealth tested, unproven dogs (possibly to get puppy buyers without having to advertise!!) and get abusive when offered advice or questioned about it.

This dog breeding section should be here to advise and question ethical breeding as well as to support new breeders, and i think it does that. IMO, a lot of us want to prevent unhealth-tested litters of no special breeding being produced, there is a real crisis in rescues nationwide at the moment, its no good questioning someone after the pups have arrived, its best to make them aware of the issues and problems before they mate the dogs in the hopes they will rethink.

[Tapir]

nothing to do with being 1st time breeders - everyone has to start somewhere.

It is because people come on here "aww I love my dog and want to breed from her she will have lovely pups as she is beautiful and well mannered. can you tell me what I need?" etc.

It is also devastating that 'mistakes' and accidents are occuring. Yet more unwanted, un health tested dogs being born.

They have no idea what is involved, costs and a majority were not planning on health testing and finding a suitable health tested male.

As some one said...its the breed aswell.

Well researched breeders who health test get

ps. I am not against cross breeding either...as long as both parents are health tested and the sizes/dogs aren't too differant.

[Biawhiska]

Originally Posted by snoopydo

I have been Reading alot of the Threads and posts in This section about Breeding....

And I notice that some 'Newbie's' feel left out and sometime patronised when asking for Help/Advise etc...

I can fully understand this....

ok you get a 'New Breeder' on asking for advise and most get Shocking replie's. For example..''Noooo Don't do it....You a new to breeding and will NEVER be as good as me'' attitude. OR There's too many puppie's in the world..

You get all of the 'experts' knocking people ..Where on earth are they supposed to Start? All the 'Expert Breeders'' on here had their 1st litter once...

And the Flip side...When someone puts their ''New puppie pics up''

It's all...awww they are sooo cute..You are sooo lucky...Congratulations..etc etc etc you get my drift.

So it seems it's a case of.... newbie's get knocked...for thinking of breeding...Senior ''older members'' get congratulated on their new litters..

ODD confused:

I think it's just best to avoid this bit

[alaun]

Is it not best to advise people that sometimes breeding isn't the right option?

Of course everyone who wishes to breed must start somewhere and genuine help asked for is usually well recieved.

The people who are usually poorly recieved are the ones who ask for advice after already breeding their dog (usually without any prior research or health tests - which is not good), or people with a bitch just come into season and want to know what to do or like others have said people with staffies (in particular) who are at crisis point.

Breeders who have done their research and are truly care about the welfare of their dogs are welcomed. You can usually tell if this is not the case by the responses of the OP to advice given - it's obvious if someone didn't actually want advice and just wanted everyone to agree with them.

[JANICE199]

Originally Posted by snoopydo

I have been Reading alot of the Threads and posts in This section about Breeding....

And I notice that some 'Newbie's' feel left out and sometime patronised when asking for Help/Advise etc...

I can fully understand this....

ok you get a 'New Breeder' on asking for advise and most get Shocking replie's. For example..''Noooo Don't do it....You a new to breeding and will NEVER be as good as me'' attitude. OR There's too many puppie's in the world..

You get all of the 'experts' knocking people ..Where on earth are they supposed to Start? All the 'Expert Breeders'' on here had their 1st litter once...

And the Flip side...When someone puts their ''New puppie pics up''

It's all...awww they are sooo cute..You are sooo lucky...Congratulations..etc etc etc you get my drift.

So it seems it's a case of.... newbie's get knocked...for thinking of breeding...Senior ''older members'' get congratulated on their new litters..

ODD confused:

You will find that not all members will reply on the breeding section because some,myself being one,don't agree that all dogs have to be health tested,ect ect.My attitude is if ANYONE comes on here and asks for advice that what they should get,not shot down in flames and judged.

[simplysardonic]

Originally Posted by snoopydo

I have been Reading alot of the Threads and posts in This section about Breeding....

And I notice that some 'Newbie's' feel left out and sometime patronised when asking for Help/Advise etc...

I can fully understand this....

ok you get a 'New Breeder' on asking for advise and most get Shocking replie's. For example..''Noooo Don't do it....You a new to breeding and will NEVER be as good as me'' attitude. OR There's too many puppie's in the world..

You get all of the 'experts' knocking people ..Where on earth are they supposed to Start? All the 'Expert Breeders'' on here had their 1st litter once...

And the Flip side...When someone puts their ''New puppie pics up''

It's all...awww they are sooo cute..You are sooo lucky...Congratulations..etc etc etc you get my drift.

So it seems it's a case of.... newbie's get knocked...for thinking of breeding...Senior ''older members'' get congratulated on their new litters..

ODD confused:

Why is telling someone not to breed their un health tested, unregistered or overbred dog, especially in times of recession like we're seeing now so puppies are remaining unsold & rescues are being bombarded with unwanted dogs, 'shocking'? It NEEDS to be said IMO, if it puts one person off breeding their dog it's doing some good. OK some people are blunter than others at getting their point across but members (whether they're experienced ethical breeders, people who pick up the pieces in rescue, or responsible dog owners such as myself) get upset when people who don't have any experience just won't listen & then get angry because they've been told some truths.

Originally Posted by JANICE199

.My attitude is if ANYONE comes on here and asks for advice that what they should get,not shot down in flames and judged.

I agree completely I even posted that in a thread about what you dislike about PF.

However as long as you are prepared to re-search and imo health test (so you are only breeding from healthy dogs) I dont think anyone in the forum would have a problem.