Confused about this Forum ?????????????

[ClaireandDaisy]

I don`t find this forum confusing. It is simply a group of people with different views about all sorts of things.
The same as any other forum, TBH. And wouldn`t it be dull ( and somewhat pointless) if we all agreed?
If you don`t agree with someone`s view you have a perfect right to put your own. You cannot, however, deny someone else a right to have a view.
Vive la Difference, I say.

[MarKalAm]

Originally Posted by snoopydo

You get all of the 'experts' knocking people ..Where on earth are they supposed to Start?

Probably not on a forum?

I just think breeding is a dodgey subject right now to be honest.

[Hazelvalley]

I am new here only found this site last week on a random google search. This is my first time breeding and I just want to say that some of the members have been so helpful! I think people get so passionate about the importants of health test that it may come across as aggressive as you can read the same section of writign in so many ways as emotion comes across in tone which is why so many arguements can break out on forums. My bitch Tilly is health test Hip 2:2 and elbows 0:0 i had to near enough fight with the vet for him to do her elbows as he said it was not necessary but i wanted it done as I heard storys of bitches with only hip test having a litter of 5 and three of the pups have had arthritus an need joints replacing. Another story i heard recently from an breeder was she met people in the pub who had a stud dog so was asking about litters he has sired and they said he recently sired a litter of 10 but they all died!!! SO she said that is unfortunate an asked about health test etc and they said to her Oh we dont do that! There a load of nonsense! As they are important and even though they cost a lot of money it just ensures the puppies are as healthy as you can.

[luvmydogs]

Originally Posted by JANICE199

You will find that not all members will reply on the breeding section because some,myself being one,don't agree that all dogs have to be health tested,ect ect.My attitude is if ANYONE comes on here and asks for advice that what they should get,not shot down in flames and judged.

Apologies if you posted the reasons before, but may I ask why you don't agree in health testing?

[vizzy24]

This is my first litter. I have been planning for years, before I even got my bitch. I have not been shot down and welcome and questions and I am open and honest with my answers. People will always have their opinions and I will always try to give advice rather than judge people. At the end of the day I will always try to help to insure the dogs health and well being is first and foremost. So please don't generalise. I have had a lot of support from this site and I have also sadly seen a lot of people bullied of this site which is why i have sometimes stayed away. If people want to start breeding then do it properly, its not a "hobby" it affects animals lives and should be treated with the respect that they deserve. It understandably upsets people when it is not taken seriously or even worse think they are going to make a it of money.

[noushka05]

Originally Posted by snoopydo

I have been Reading alot of the Threads and posts in This section about Breeding....

And I notice that some 'Newbie's' feel left out and sometime patronised when asking for Help/Advise etc...

I can fully understand this....

ok you get a 'New Breeder' on asking for advise and most get Shocking replie's. For example..''Noooo Don't do it....You a new to breeding and will NEVER be as good as me'' attitude. OR There's too many puppie's in the world..

You get all of the 'experts' knocking people ..Where on earth are they supposed to Start? All the 'Expert Breeders'' on here had their 1st litter once...

And the Flip side...When someone puts their ''New puppie pics up''

It's all...awww they are sooo cute..You are sooo lucky...Congratulations..etc etc etc you get my drift.

So it seems it's a case of.... newbie's get knocked...for thinking of breeding...Senior ''older members'' get congratulated on their new litters..

ODD confused:

the only times ive seen negative comments or have myself replied negatively to someone breeding is when members new or old are breeding irresponsibly, yes breeders have to start somewhere but new breeders who set out to be ethical ones ensure they do plenty of research 1st, they have a mentor who will help and advise along the way.... they dont just go ahead and breed willy nilly! and im certainly no 'expert' having only bred 1 litter in 10yrs but i have strong views and i cant condone bad breeding practices, imo breeding any animal is a such massive responsibility.


and i can assure you i Never congratulate breeders of puppies who i consider were bred irresponsibly.

[Kinjilabs]

Originally Posted by Hazelvalley

I am new here only found this site last week on a random google search. This is my first time breeding and I just want to say that some of the members have been so helpful! I think people get so passionate about the importants of health test that it may come across as aggressive as you can read the same section of writign in so many ways as emotion comes across in tone which is why so many arguements can break out on forums. My bitch Tilly is health test Hip 2:2 and elbows 0:0 i had to near enough fight with the vet for him to do her elbows as he said it was not necessary but i wanted it done as I heard storys of bitches with only hip test having a litter of 5 and three of the pups have had arthritus an need joints replacing. Another story i heard recently from an breeder was she met people in the pub who had a stud dog so was asking about litters he has sired and they said he recently sired a litter of 10 but they all died!!! SO she said that is unfortunate an asked about health test etc and they said to her Oh we dont do that! There a load of nonsense! As they are important and even though they cost a lot of money it just ensures the puppies are as healthy as you can.

Well done you for getting elbows done, thats a priority for Labs I think, Ive had a couple of Labs with bad arthritis and its heartbreaking, but mine were when the elbow tests weren't in place, I certainly wouldnt buy a pup from non elbow tested parents now.

[Hazelvalley]

After hearing the story about the lab I wanted to make sure! Someone told me that if the hips are under 10 then the elbows should be 0:0 but both dam and sire were both under 10 an still over 50% of puppies suffered problems. I love my little girl and I wouldnt have bred her if her elbows had any problems. It took me ages finding a good stud dog as well as as most of them listed didnt have health test results on so I had to search every Sires name on the health check website.

[deb53]

I also get confused about this Forum when "newbies" come on and ask "advice" or start their threads "help needed".

And when someone or some more experienced breeders add to their thread and share their experience or give their advice or opinion, all of a sudden they are called "holier than thou", flamers, sh!t stirrers, no-alls, in for money" and anything else which I have forgotten because I'm tired! all for answering the original question.

Then just because the OP does not want to hear that answer and just wants to hear everyone say " aw it will be ok" they get all defensive, usually abusing, saying they are never posting again, and blame their upset on a biased forum.

Yes I agree I am totally about this forum

[mummyxofx2]

i was new here and as ppl call it a backyard breeder my rotty X was already pregnant when i came here but i was given a warm welcome and all the help i needed and a phone number my dog was health tested and the father was and a year or so of planning and finding the right vet i may have mated a cross bred BUT i did everything else correctly mum was very well looked after by our vet and had her on hand if something happened to mum or pup which it never thank goodness i had trouble with mum after the pups but nothign before hand but if i hadnt been one of the ppl to do everything right mum and pups could have died mum didnt produce milk had to have a injection and then got mastitis so if i wasnt checking her everyday she could have died from it and the pups got sick i spend alot of money on mum and pups they are all sold now to loving homes didnt have any trouble selling them at all but i tell you now if i did i couldnt cope with 8 big puppies the few ppl that have helped me through the birth and after have been lovely and wouldnt go anywhere else they do a fantastic job =)