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Re: Pedigree Dogs Exposed BBC2 next Tuesday

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all my are kc reg and im not a snob?
would only buy or breed a kc dog
how else can i check my lines for problems in my breeds
Hi no i don't mean you are and most people aren't but there are some people that feel they HAVE to mention these things, even in an innocent conversation in the park. WHY? I understand entirely the importance of pedegrees.
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Old 13-08-2008, 04:44 PM
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Re: Pedigree Dogs Exposed BBC2 next Tuesday

I've got a KC registered Border Collie!
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Old 18-08-2008, 09:31 PM
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Re: Pedigree Dogs Exposed BBC2 next Tuesday

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I actually got involved with this programme as I have cavalier king charles with mitral valve disease which is very distressing. I have lost 3 cavvies previously and get extremely upset when breeders don't care about interbreeding as long as they can sell those cute little pups!! Ultimately, it is us, the owners, who have to watch their precious pets go through pain and suffering .The breeders should make sure that they only breed healthy dogs!!I hope that the programme does help but for many of us it is too late.
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Old 18-08-2008, 09:44 PM
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Re: Pedigree Dogs Exposed BBC2 next Tuesday

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Hi there
I actually got involved with this programme as I have cavalier king charles with mitral valve disease which is very distressing. I have lost 3 cavvies previously and get extremely upset when breeders don't care about interbreeding as long as they can sell those cute little pups!! Ultimately, it is us, the owners, who have to watch their precious pets go through pain and suffering .The breeders should make sure that they only breed healthy dogs!!I hope that the programme does help but for many of us it is too late.
Interbreeding or in breeding is not the cause of hereditary conditions,the problems are already present.
Good reputable ethical breeders will and do test there dogs which they breed from,it's up to puppy buyers to do there research and see all proof of health testing,if it's not available walk away.
I really hope the programme doesn't damage the breeds and take them backwards,I would like to see a fair and unbiased programme I doubt that will be the case though.

Maybe a programme on BYB and PF's would be good it may actually go someway to educating the public on where and how to buy a well bred heath tested puppy.
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Re: Pedigree Dogs Exposed BBC2 next Tuesday

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Hi there
I actually got involved with this programme as I have cavalier king charles with mitral valve disease which is very distressing. I have lost 3 cavvies previously and get extremely upset when breeders don't care about interbreeding as long as they can sell those cute little pups!! Ultimately, it is us, the owners, who have to watch their precious pets go through pain and suffering .The breeders should make sure that they only breed healthy dogs!!I hope that the programme does help but for many of us it is too late.
Sorry to hear your story. Sounds like unethical breeders, although if you have lost 3 to this disease I personally would have done my homework after losing the first one.
Years ago I bred Cavvies and it was known then about MVD. I believe now there is a protocol set up regarding breeding Cavs( well in USA there is anyway) but unsure how far along it is in UK as I have been out of Cavs for over 20years.
I read in the Our Dogs about an owner with a Cavvie who had MVD and that the program makers were hounding them for info. Was that you????
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Re: Pedigree Dogs Exposed BBC2 next Tuesday

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Hi there
I actually got involved with this programme as I have cavalier king charles with mitral valve disease which is very distressing. I have lost 3 cavvies previously and get extremely upset when breeders don't care about interbreeding as long as they can sell those cute little pups!! Ultimately, it is us, the owners, who have to watch their precious pets go through pain and suffering .The breeders should make sure that they only breed healthy dogs!!I hope that the programme does help but for many of us it is too late.
I breed ckc and i only breed from dogs that have clear heart and eye checks.
These health problems are very popular in the cavies this is why you should always go to a good breeder that as PROOF that both dogs are clear before they were bred.
Did your dogs parents not have clear health checks done before they were bred.
I am aware lots of breeders dont bother to test that is why you should always go to a reputiable breeder because its the poor dog that as long term health problems and a short life plus the owner ends up with huge vet bills.

Im sure that when you get your next dog you will make sure that dogs have clear checks done.

I will always own ckc because they are great little dogs shame so many bad breeders about
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Old 18-08-2008, 10:47 PM
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From the last few posts about CKCs it would seem that this heart problem is a problem that responsible breeders have recognised and hence are doing their best not to breed from affected dogs (please feel free to correct me if I've misunderstood!). I think there are a lot of hereditary diseases in a lot of breeds, some of which will have been caused by past irresponsible breeding, and the same holds true for them - ie responsible breeders are not breeding from such stock. What worries me about this programme on Tues is that it is going to present things that the irresponsible breeders do as the norm, ignore all the good work that is being done by responsible breeders, and yet again present an untrue and exaggerated picture of pedigree dogs and breeders merely in order to get the "shock horror" headlines and increase the viewing figures. The very title of the programme - ie "pedigree dogs exposed" - shows they have decided on their point of view well before they ever interviewed a single person. I will be very surprised if it presents a well-balanced, unbiased view.
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Re: Pedigree Dogs Exposed BBC2 next Tuesday

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From the last few posts about CKCs it would seem that this heart problem is a problem that responsible breeders have recognised and hence are doing their best not to breed from affected dogs (please feel free to correct me if I've misunderstood!). I think there are a lot of hereditary diseases in a lot of breeds, some of which will have been caused by past irresponsible breeding, and the same holds true for them - ie responsible breeders are not breeding from such stock. What worries me about this programme on Tues is that it is going to present things that the irresponsible breeders do as the norm, ignore all the good work that is being done by responsible breeders, and yet again present an untrue and exaggerated picture of pedigree dogs and breeders merely in order to get the "shock horror" headlines and increase the viewing figures. The very title of the programme - ie "pedigree dogs exposed" - shows they have decided on their point of view well before they ever interviewed a single person. I will be very surprised if it presents a well-balanced, unbiased view.
Well said Spellweaver
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Old 19-08-2008, 08:03 AM
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Re: Pedigree Dogs Exposed BBC2 next Tuesday

I cant wait to see this -rolls eyes-..

no doupt it will represent the minority of pedigree dog breeders who breed from dogs even if they have problems which they will pass on.. most breeders care about what they produce but of course im sure these people wont be exposed.

No doupt theyll talk about the stats that mongrels and crossbreeds have fewer problems blah blah blah..
but hey lets watch and find out
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Old 19-08-2008, 08:05 AM
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Re: Pedigree Dogs Exposed BBC2 next Tuesday

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Hi there
I actually got involved with this programme as I have cavalier king charles with mitral valve disease which is very distressing. I have lost 3 cavvies previously and get extremely upset when breeders don't care about interbreeding as long as they can sell those cute little pups!! Ultimately, it is us, the owners, who have to watch their precious pets go through pain and suffering .The breeders should make sure that they only breed healthy dogs!!I hope that the programme does help but for many of us it is too late.

Surely its the owners fault to buy a puppy from someone who hasnt proved the breeders dogs are completely healthy?
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