Tica - Page 3

Biawhiska · #21 (**permalink**) 20-01-2009, 09:25 AM

No I understand all that. Just personally I would find it more fun to chase a title over a longer period of time like the GCCF, and prefer it that way. I know with TICA you then show in order to get more points and go up the ladder etc but my preference...

Saikou · #22 (**permalink**) 20-01-2009, 10:29 AM

Just to play devils advocate here, as I do not think overall that either registry is blanket easier or harder, there are swings and roundabouts on both sides, but seeing as the gist of some of the posts on this are that is definitely harder to gain a top title under TICA than the GCCF (remembering I am playing devils advocate before you aim your AK47s in my direction

)

In the eyes of the rest of the TICA world as the UK still on isolated status meaning they only have to gain half the number of points than that of our European/US counterparts, doesn’t that make it easier for TICA UK to ultimately gain titles ?
If TICA exhibitors feel their titles are more hard fought, why don’t they prefix their titles with (TICA) ? I have seen lists of TICA supremes nestled up against GCCF supremes – on the face of it same title Supreme Grand Champion, but if cat count is everything, realistically which is the harder fought, the cat who has won a ring out of 90 cats ( and it doesn’t have to be that number) in one judges opinion or the cat that has been declared best cat in a count of 1200 – 1300 having had to impress 5 different judges on the same day. Listing all those together for those TICA exhibitors who have only just migrated and were previously GCCF isn’t there the tiniest possibility of trying to claim a little of the GCCFs Supreme winners kudos ?
Just taking the lower titles, a cat can make Ch fairly easily only having to impress 2 different judges, GCCF Ch has to impress 3 different judges. No easy wins if you are the only one in class either with a w/h ability.
Very hard to do but you can make GCCF Imperial in a minimum of 11 shows, but you would have had to impress a minimum of 5 different judges (in reality far more than that) to attain that award. Technically you can get way with only having to impress 2? (or maybe 4) judges to get your TICA supreme. My understanding is that you can supreme by winning a SP ring, doesn’t have to be an AB ring so the cat count is potentially drastically reduced.

Just as another observation, realistically if a judge has 90 cats to see for one ring – how much notice of each cat can they humanly take in and remember? Or are TICA judges more super human than GCCF judges – JOKE!!!!

Soupie · #23 (**permalink**) 20-01-2009, 10:45 AM

I don't think it is harder to gain a top title under TICA just that it is not the walk in the park some people think it is.

And I love GCCF and show a lot with them. My Selkirk has performed well in both registries and on my website I clearly state his title is a TICA one.

I don't think either registry is easier than the other to achieve high titles - they are both very different. I still feel my boy's TICA Supreme title is an achievement regardless of the fact some people seem to think it is relatively easy to achieve. I hate it when people knock people's achievements - I would never dream of saying to someone whose cat got a GCCF champion title that it was easy because they were the only one in the class each time ..... so itfrustrates me that people are happy to slag off another registry because the format is different.

Saikou · #24 (**permalink**) 20-01-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Soupie

so itfrustrates me that people are happy to slag off another registry because the format is different.

I completely agree, but there is alot of GCCF bashing at present (not necessarily from here!) by people who are disgruntled with them for one reason or another and have decided to swap to a different registry. All of a sudden, despite having had showed GCCF for years and been happy with everything, suddenly the GCCF man handle the cats, is too political (that applies to every registry once you get used to it), awards only given to judges friends, shows are unfriendly blah blah blah and suddenly because they have moved everyone else should because TICA is so much better and so much friendlier and the titles so much harder to obtain, and anyone who shows GCCF doesn't care about their cat. Believe me I have seen those sentiments expressed in more than one place.

At the end of the day its horses for courses. I would happily show under all 3 registries but not necessarily the same cat(s) at all three as for my breeds I do think they place the 'emphasis' on different different 'qualities'.

Soupie · #25 (**permalink**) 20-01-2009, 11:12 AM

Well I love GCCF shows and enjoy them. I have shown all 3 of my curlies in both TICA and GCCF and will do so quite happily. Interestingly enough my boy who hasn't done so well as the others doesn't do so well in either of the two registries I have shown my cats in.....

Biawhiska · #26 (**permalink**) 20-01-2009, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saikou

Just to play devils advocate here, as I do not think overall that either registry is blanket easier or harder, there are swings and roundabouts on both sides, but seeing as the gist of some of the posts on this are that is definitely harder to gain a top title under TICA than the GCCF (remembering I am playing devils advocate before you aim your AK47s in my direction

)

In the eyes of the rest of the TICA world as the UK still on isolated status meaning they only have to gain half the number of points than that of our European/US counterparts, doesn’t that make it easier for TICA UK to ultimately gain titles ?
If TICA exhibitors feel their titles are more hard fought, why don’t they prefix their titles with (TICA) ? I have seen lists of TICA supremes nestled up against GCCF supremes – on the face of it same title Supreme Grand Champion, but if cat count is everything, realistically which is the harder fought, the cat who has won a ring out of 90 cats ( and it doesn’t have to be that number) in one judges opinion or the cat that has been declared best cat in a count of 1200 – 1300 having had to impress 5 different judges on the same day. Listing all those together for those TICA exhibitors who have only just migrated and were previously GCCF isn’t there the tiniest possibility of trying to claim a little of the GCCFs Supreme winners kudos ?
Just taking the lower titles, a cat can make Ch fairly easily only having to impress 2 different judges, GCCF Ch has to impress 3 different judges. No easy wins if you are the only one in class either with a w/h ability.
Very hard to do but you can make GCCF Imperial in a minimum of 11 shows, but you would have had to impress a minimum of 5 different judges (in reality far more than that) to attain that award. Technically you can get way with only having to impress 2? (or maybe 4) judges to get your TICA supreme. My understanding is that you can supreme by winning a SP ring, doesn’t have to be an AB ring so the cat count is potentially drastically reduced.

Just as another observation, realistically if a judge has 90 cats to see for one ring – how much notice of each cat can they humanly take in and remember? Or are TICA judges more super human than GCCF judges – JOKE!!!!

great post

Toby & Darwin · #27 (**permalink**) 20-01-2009, 11:14 AM

I have tried to stay out of this because I think everyone is going to have an opinion on whether one is better than the other.

Personally I like them both.
The reason I went to TICA with my bengal is the fact that the GCCF do not recognise the silver as a colour yet so he can only gain merits where as with TICA he can gain a full title.

I found the competition very hard at the weekend and agree with what Soupie has said about it being very hard to final, we managed 4 out of 12 rings I know some cats finaled in every ring but even if you get first for your breed it doesn't automatically give you a place in the final as there are only so many available.

I think every title is earned and deserved no matter which registry it comes from.

Biawhiska · #28 (**permalink**) 20-01-2009, 11:16 AM

I've never knocked anyones tica titles. My opinion on the whole tica thing is that I prefer how titles are achieved at the GCCF and I don't think there is anything wrong with that

In the eyes of the rest of the TICA world as the UK still on isolated status meaning they only have to gain half the number of points than that of our European/US counterparts, doesn’t that make it easier for TICA UK to ultimately gain titles ?

(never knew that!)

nutcracker · #29 (**permalink**) 20-01-2009, 11:17 AM

I have shown with all three. If you have the only cat at a GC show you can progress SO quickly to Grand. In six straight shows with no competition.
At Tica you can get your colour points straight away if only cat of colour, but then straight in towards division and breed, best of breed in Tica is that, BEST OF BREED, in GC BOB is best colour! How can that be?
Gaining titles with Tica is NOT easy. A good cat can quickly accumulate the points yes, but to get that all important CH title, you have to be amongst the TEN ALL BREED best cats. There are cats out there collecting the 50 points per ring for colour and breed, but can't get that all important final to gain the title. How is that easy? There must have been 15 Maine Coon alters at this weekends show, all different colours. At GC they would have probably all won a certificate and a BOB, but at Tica only the best one or two would have progressed. And no sex split either, they go against each other.
Gaining the Supreme is even harder! The points yes will eventually come, but to get a BEST CAT is so hard! And getting harder and harder as Tica shows are growing so rapidly. There are many really top cats with the 3000 points out there, they just can't catch that Best Cat.
It may seem quicker to gain, but we don't have Tica shows every week, more or so every month. Yet at the show there may be 6 rings, all shows in their own right.
As of May this year, this may get even harder as the UK may loose it's isolation status, thus having to gain double the points towards Titles.
I know I am much prouder of my Supreme title with Tica than I would be with an Imperial, my cat has had to beat cats of many breeds, Maine Coons, Bengals, Persians, all competing for that Best overall cat.
I congratulate anyone who owns a cat that has achieved Supreme!

Toby & Darwin · #30 (**permalink**) 20-01-2009, 11:17 AM

There is discussion on the TICA groups at the moment that England is going to lose its isolated status so that might make a difference to peoples opinions.

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