Hi, I recently adopted 2 pet kittens at the time of writing they are 10 and a half weeks old. They werent properly litter trained when I got them but i've been working on that recently I would say they are currently using the litterbox around 80% of the time and for the other 20% they will go anywhere pee/poop it doesnt matter. Because of this when im out of the house all day I have to keep them locked in the kitchen, which must be quite dull for them and its not something I really want to do, there seems to be no logical pattern to when or where they are going outside the litterbox I may be in the room I may not, and they dont seem to have much discression on where they go, floors or chairs/settee's. If I catch them doing it they know there not supposed too and will run away. I am currently using the spray bottle method to deter them, problem is they seem to know where they should go, they know what ahppens if they dont use the box but yet they still wont, any ideas on how to combat this? does anyone else have experience with this? thanks.

How many litter boxes do you have? It's recommended one for each cat and an extra one.
Have you tried different litter?
Is it a little wee or a big wee? It could be a urine infection e.g. cystitis...Is it both of them?

My youngest cat Snoopy still does it but usually in the same places, which I have started to combat by putting the litter trays in these places.
You could also try to feed them in one of the places it will help deter them.

Make sure you use washing equipment that doesn't have strong odours e.g. bleach as this can make them worse.

Have you tried the plug in diffusers? These can help de stress the kittens, which could be another cause to the weeing.

I'm sure someone on here maybe able to help you more but do think about the questions asked

For help and advice there is no better place than your nearest cat protection league one thing you will be needing is a cat flap. this weather is going to make things more difficult.P/S news paper is useful

they are still very wee and so have immature bladders etc - imagine what it is like training a 2 year old child and that's the level of response they have; when they need to go they need to go. I would suggest that a) you don't ever have them unsupervised in a room until they have this cracked b) you have a small tray n every room you let them in. When I got my 15 week old I had a litter tray in the kitten, the dining room, the living room, the downstairs toilet and the upstairs toilet - she wasn't in the other rooms. As she got older and more able to head for the trays in the other rooms I gradually took the unused trays away. They need to be kept in a small ish space really - they are too young to be trusted to find their way from one room where they get the urge to the room with the tray in - hence a tray in each room. Watch them carefully and when you see them starting to sniff and/ or scratch at the ground or squat pop them on the nearest tray. If they have an accident put a little of the 'mess' in the nearest tray so they can smell it. Make sure you clean the accident spots with SImple solution or the such like to eliminate the smells they can smell but we can't - fabreeze won't cut it. Don't worry about keeping them in the kitchen when you are out - I still do this with my lot ('though as I have 3 adult sized cats they get the dining room too). HTH

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Why? These kittens are 10 weeks old.Way to young to be going anywhere?

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Thankyou for your responses,

I'm currently using one litter tray, I will buy 2 more today.

its both cats doing it so that rules out urine infections

I wont be bothering with a cat flap for quite some time, i'm not planning on getting them outside for another couple of months

I dont think its anything to do with stress,

im keeping them in the kitchen by day and when im home I open up access to the living room aswell the 2 rooms are fairly small so they're not far from the litterbox, however over the last week it has happened a little less, or the time being ill keep them in the kitchen when im not there and see how we get on down the road,

Thanks again for the responses

I'm sure this is just a phrase and not what you are actually planning.They will still be far to young to be going outside in a couple of months time.I would wait until they are neutered and at least 9 months old,that way they will be benefiting from the better weather

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I lived with some friends a few years back and we got a kitten then, adopted him at 8 weeks old and when he was 12 weeks we started letting him go outside he was supervised at all times (we would be on the patio and he would come onto that with us) for the first few weeks that's as far as he would go then everyday it was a little further, after 6 weeks he was out fully unsupervised and we never had a single problem. This is the same route I was planning to adopt with these, I will be waiting til its warmer for all of us to be outside though.