Originally Posted by ambercat

No-one is advertising Butchers, the subject arose from the original question about gingivitis and teeth extraction, which led to Dr Addie's site where Butchers is recommended, as well as Applaws. I don't think anyone is advocating feeding only Butchers either, although at least it is complete, which is more than can be said for Applaws tinned.

Originally Posted by lorilu

certain parts of meat. Organs and muscle meat. "real meat" doesn't say what part of the "real meat" is being used.

Originally Posted by FlipFlop

Lulusowner, I hope Lulu is doing okay!

Originally Posted by Janee

Here is a thread i started a while back about Butchers Classic. The first post is an email from the company.

Butchers Choice Cat Food
Lulu's owner has posted the last post on that thread.

Originally Posted by lorilu

I recommend a second opinion. 80% chance it will help? Those are pretty good odds IMO.

13 too old for a dental? Well of course it depends on the cat, by my senior girlie was 17, had CRF, hyperthyroid disease, megacolon, arthritis, high blood pressure, heart murmur and one previous stroke, and she did just find with a dental and an extraction.

(My vet uses Sevourflorane gas anesthesia.) It gave her a new lease on life, as her teeth had been troubling her more and more while my vet and I debated the risks. I finally decided quality of life was more important, and if the anesthesia hastened her end by adversely affecting the kidneys, at least that shorter time with me would be spent without mouth pain.

As it happened her kidneys were not affected at all by the dental and I had many more months with her, and she was so relieved to be free of mouth pain, and her appetite improved, which is so important.

Again, I would advise your mother to find another vet. Sometimes the risks outweigh the alternative, which is a lifetime of mouth pain and slow death by starvation because of it.

Originally Posted by Lulu's owner

Thanks for asking. She seems great in herself, but I suppose that's the Metacam helping. Foodwise we're struggling a bit and I'm getting through huge amounts of tinned Applaws, as she has a mouthful, wanders off and then greedy Bertie scoffs the rest.. She's eating the dry Applaws happily enough but until I hear from Dr Addie I don't know if that's compatible with the recommended diet or not.

Originally Posted by Lulu's owner

You have to be pretty bold to ask for a second opinion, vets tend to take it as a slur on their professional expertise. Although the vet is pressurising me a bit about longterm Metacam, he is prepared to extract the teeth if that's what I opt for. Maybe he doesn't want to be blamed if Lulu is in the 20% that don't improve. As regards my mum, she's 80 and definitely will not change vets. She went to old Mr X, probably dead now, and now she sees his son, young Mr X (who is almost pension age himself now), so there's no chance whatsoever!

Originally Posted by FlipFlop

I NEVER recommend Applaws tinned as a complete diet Its only the dry version of the Applaws that is complete.