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Old 11-02-2010, 05:38 PM
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Re: Poor Lulu, awful dilemma about teeth (extraction or longterm Metacam?)

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I thought Butchers was OK quality but someone I spoke with told me it has antifreeze in it, despite the only admitted additive being caramel when I emailed them in the past to ask what the EU permitted colourant on the label meant. .
Think whoever told you that is scaremongering! No pet food is perfect in my opnion, but I don't think many pet food manufacturers would want to kill off their prospective feline customers by adding antifreeze!

You can get Bozita online Food :: Cats & Kittens :: R & L Pet Products - Pet food, litter, hygiene, accessories & toys and at Zooplus.

Not sure if Dr Addie recommends the Applaws dry or not - I know the tinned was recommended.
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Re: Poor Lulu, awful dilemma about teeth (extraction or longterm Metacam?)

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and you belived them that they would put anti-freeze in a food? In the UK?
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Re: Poor Lulu, awful dilemma about teeth (extraction or longterm Metacam?)

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Thanks. I haven't seen Bozita anywhere. The biggest petfood store I can get to is Pets at Home. I thought Butchers was OK quality but someone I spoke with told me it has antifreeze in it, despite the only admitted additive being caramel when I emailed them in the past to ask what the EU permitted colourant on the label meant. I'm still not clear if Dr Addie's suggested diet includes dry Applaws - Lulu likes that. I've emailed Dr Addie to ask but got an out of office reply. Vet rang me a little while ago and did seem to be putting pressure on in favour of longterm Metacam. He'd not heard of Dr Addie but said he would google info. He wants to see Lulu in two or three weeks so I will stay with the Metacam for that time in any case.
Bozita can be bought from Pet Supplies, Pet Food, and Pet Products on Sale Now at zooplus.co.uk

It is relatively cheap but zooplus is reknowned for its cavalier approach to packing though astoundingly nothing goes missing (usually).
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Re: Poor Lulu, awful dilemma about teeth (extraction or longterm Metacam?)

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and you belived them that they would put anti-freeze in a food? In the UK?
I was told they put propylene glycol in, not ethylene glycol, which would definitely kill the customers off. (I remember all those cats dying in America a few years ago from irradiated catfood so it's hard to entirely trust petfood manufacturers, though I don't know if irradiation is allowed here or not in catmeat).
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Re: Poor Lulu, awful dilemma about teeth (extraction or longterm Metacam?)

Thanks everybody for Bozita info. I was maybe being too quick to give up on the Applaws as Lulu ate a little bit tonight. Still not keen but prepared to eat a little bit.
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Old 12-02-2010, 01:11 AM
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Re: Poor Lulu, awful dilemma about teeth (extraction or longterm Metacam?)

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I was told they put propylene glycol in, not ethylene glycol, which would definitely kill the customers off. (I remember all those cats dying in America a few years ago from irradiated catfood so it's hard to entirely trust petfood manufacturers, though I don't know if irradiation is allowed here or not in catmeat).
Are you talking about the 2007 recall? That was melamine poisoning from wheat gluten brought in from China. "heads are still rolling" from that.

The cats that died from irradiated food was in Australia, but irradiation has been banned in the USA also.

Back on topic, I am still very concerned about Lulu being on the metacam for any length of time. It worries me greatly and I don't even know her.
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Re: Poor Lulu, awful dilemma about teeth (extraction or longterm Metacam?)

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Are you talking about the 2007 recall? That was melamine poisoning from wheat gluten brought in from China. "heads are still rolling" from that.

The cats that died from irradiated food was in Australia, but irradiation has been banned in the USA also.

Back on topic, I am still very concerned about Lulu being on the metacam for any length of time. It worries me greatly and I don't even know her.
Yes, you're right that I'm confusing two different horror stories (but the theme is the same, that you can't entirely trust petfood manufacturers. Even Applaw tinned chicken is produced in Thailand, which does make me wonder because I'm almost sure there was a scare about the drugs they gave chickens a few years back which harmed humans). Back to the subject of Metacam I think you may very well be right but the vet is adamant that it is OK to administer for up to four years. I don't know if I'm being overly-suspicious in thinking that the grossly enlarged liver problem that nearly killed my mum's older cat a couple of months back might be connected to the fact that the same vet had that cat on Metacam for a year or so (and back on the Metacam again now, because of being too old at thirteen for dental surgery in his opinion). The whole thing is getting me down terribly because on the one hand it seems cats can manage without teeth and on the other hand the vet is telling me that because the success rate for surgery is only 80% he wouldn't opt for that because she is so young. I wonder what would happen if she just came off the Metacam in a couple of weeks time after she's had her next visit to the vets? I'm persevering with the Applaws etc but she's barely eating.
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Re: Poor Lulu, awful dilemma about teeth (extraction or longterm Metacam?)

I recommend a second opinion. 80% chance it will help? Those are pretty good odds IMO.

13 too old for a dental? Well of course it depends on the cat, by my senior girlie was 17, had CRF, hyperthyroid disease, megacolon, arthritis, high blood pressure, heart murmur and one previous stroke, and she did just find with a dental and an extraction.

(My vet uses Sevourflorane gas anesthesia.) It gave her a new lease on life, as her teeth had been troubling her more and more while my vet and I debated the risks. I finally decided quality of life was more important, and if the anesthesia hastened her end by adversely affecting the kidneys, at least that shorter time with me would be spent without mouth pain.

As it happened her kidneys were not affected at all by the dental and I had many more months with her, and she was so relieved to be free of mouth pain, and her appetite improved, which is so important.

Again, I would advise your mother to find another vet. Sometimes the risks outweigh the alternative, which is a lifetime of mouth pain and slow death by starvation because of it.
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Re: Poor Lulu, awful dilemma about teeth (extraction or longterm Metacam?)

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and you belived them that they would put anti-freeze in a food? In the UK?
Heres the proof, google it if you don't believe:

Q: I read on the Internet that anti freeze is added to pet food. Is this true and does Applaws have anything like this or any artificial ingredients in their food?

A: Propylene glycol is used by some manufactures to preserve their pet food and this chemical is a less-toxic version of car anti freeze. It is used in some pet food products and treats and is hidden in the ingredient list on the pack the under the terms “Contains EEC Permitted antioxidant, colorants or preservatives”. If you see this ask the manufacturer what preservative they are actually using. Propylene glycol is considered “safe” by some manufactures if used in small quantities. It is not only a very powerful chemical preservative but it has a strong artificial sweet taste that some pets find addictive. Applaws refuses to use such ingredients and there is nothing artificial in Applaws. Our products are kept fresh with more expensive natural citrus and herb extracts.
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Re: Poor Lulu, awful dilemma about teeth (extraction or longterm Metacam?)

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I recommend a second opinion. Cats can live quite happily without their teeth and you may be saving Lulu a lifetime of pain and suffering.

Metacam is bad news for cats, and I would never give it to my cats, I know it is approved for use in cats in Europe, but, if you put her on that be sure to get blood work regularly, and I mean every few months, because metacam can cause acute kidney failure in cats.

In my opinion a life without teeth, for a cat, is preferable to a life on pain meds.
I agree Metacam should be used with caution, if at all. And blood work is a must before and during treatment!
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