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Old 26-06-2009, 01:13 PM
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Re: Applaws food

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50% meat might sound brilliant when compared with Whiskas or Felix paltry 4%, but Id still be a little concerned about what was making up the rest. There is definitely too much hype where commercial cat food is concerned - it's big business after all - and what should also be taken into account is that pet food manufacturers are not regulated in the same way as for human standards.

Someone here mentioned that they wouldn't feed anything to their cats unless they could eat it themselves - a very wise choice to make considering the recent scares involving some of these 'top brand' cat foods - Orijen, Applaws etc. Both of these brands seem to be very popular at the moment, but for what they both cost I would rather spend a little more and feed my cats on 100% human grade meat and know exactly what they are getting.
As a pet food manufacturer I strongly disagree with your statement about regulation. Pet food manufacturing under EU regulations are higher that for Human consumption food. (Applaws and Orijen do not fall wiuthin these rules as they are not manufactuered in the EU).

The Orijen scare was due to the Australian Government irradiating pet food at the docks. Nothing to do with the Orijen formula and was fully outside of Orijens control. Whilst this was most upsetting for the pets involved the Government should accept all responcibility.

The Applaws issue is down to people feeding the food as a complete food rather than a complementary food.

Back to regulations. If I was a butcher as long as I had a clean environment (inspected by Environmental Health only when there was a complaint) I can sell you anything. You don't know how old it is, how close (or past) it's use by date, it's true country of origin, if it's processed (mince, sausage, burgers etc) what is really in the formula etc.

As a pet food manufacturer:
  • I have to be licenced with DEFRA
  • have routine inspections from a Meat Hygine Services vet and from the Environmental Health
  • have samples of the batches tested for bacteria including Salmonella
  • only use Category 3 Meat (this is meat that is fit for human consumption)
  • - meat from category 2 (fallen animals, or animals put down because of diseases that cannot be passed to humans) and category 1 (animals that have died because of dieases that can be passed to humans) has to be incinerated.
  • Have to provide traceability back to the source
  • Have to follow Hazard Analysis & Critical Control Points (HACCP) processes the same as all human food processing plants (except butchers). This is a set of processes that monitors critical factors, (Freezer, fridge, room temperatures, cleaning schedules, bacteria, meat sources, dates etc)

Before I setup my company I did an analysis and concluded that it would be more profitable and less red tape to produce burgers and sausages than to produce pet food.
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Re: Applaws food

I remember during the BSE scare that it was said that the meat used in cat food was of a higher standard at the time than the meat used for human consumption, so pets were not at risk, not sure how true that was though?
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Re: Applaws food

We’ve fed Tilly on Whiskers since we got her from the RSPCA (not sure what they fed there) and occasionally we have fed Felix if there has been an offer on etc but she has never been ill, has a lovely shiny coat, is full of energy and never scavenges for food (unless she smells the tuna can being opened!) I would love to be able to feed her food considered better quality but as a young couple funding our first home we just can’t afford it; I’d hate to think that I was doing wrong by her as I love her to bits and most of my spare money is spent on toys, bedding, treats etc for her to make her happy but with food (and litter for that matter) they go through it so quickly I just can’t afford ‘the best’. Just like we won’t always buy organic meat from the supermarket, even though I think it tastes better and is morally the right option – it’s too expensive day to day. I think as long as the cat seems healthy and happy then that’s all that matters, if changing food is going to cause issues then it’s just not worth it.
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Re: Applaws food

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As a pet food manufacturer I strongly disagree with your statement about regulation. Pet food manufacturing under EU regulations are higher that for Human consumption food. (Applaws and Orijen do not fall wiuthin these rules as they are not manufactuered in the EU).

The Orijen scare was due to the Australian Government irradiating pet food at the docks. Nothing to do with the Orijen formula and was fully outside of Orijens control. Whilst this was most upsetting for the pets involved the Government should accept all responcibility.

The Applaws issue is down to people feeding the food as a complete food rather than a complementary food.

Back to regulations. If I was a butcher as long as I had a clean environment (inspected by Environmental Health only when there was a complaint) I can sell you anything. You don't know how old it is, how close (or past) it's use by date, it's true country of origin, if it's processed (mince, sausage, burgers etc) what is really in the formula etc.



As a pet food manufacturer:
  • I have to be licenced with DEFRA
  • have routine inspections from a Meat Hygine Services vet and from the Environmental Health
  • have samples of the batches tested for bacteria including Salmonella
  • only use Category 3 Meat (this is meat that is fit for human consumption)
  • - meat from category 2 (fallen animals, or animals put down because of diseases that cannot be passed to humans) and category 1 (animals that have died because of dieases that can be passed to humans) has to be incinerated.
  • Have to provide traceability back to the source
  • Have to follow Hazard Analysis & Critical Control Points (HACCP) processes the same as all human food processing plants (except butchers). This is a set of processes that monitors critical factors, (Freezer, fridge, room temperatures, cleaning schedules, bacteria, meat sources, dates etc)
Before I setup my company I did an analysis and concluded that it would be more profitable and less red tape to produce burgers and sausages than to produce pet food.


Some of the major pet food manufacturers must be working under a different set of rules then - having been visited by members of the public who have seen what goes on inside and have walked out of there feeling physically sick.
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Re: Applaws food

Just to clarify, I believe the Kitten Applaws is complete, but the adult varieties are not!

I started feeding Fluffy on Whiskas and cheap dry food when I first got him, not knowing any better, but soon moved him onto higher quality food.

He now has Hi-life kitten pouches, or if I can't get that then I get Purely. As he is getting older though I am now including more adult food in his diet and introducing variety. He has the Hi-life Petite Pate tins (fish or poultry varieties) and sometimes Applaws (I have just bought some chicken & cheese to try him with). He also sometimes gets some plain meat/fish or tins of sardines etc.

As we are out at work all day I leave a small handful of dry food down for him to nibble on. I had been using Orijen, but after the Australian scare I was a little put off, plus I can only get it mail order, so today I have been and bought some Purely 65% chicken kitten dry food to use when the Orijen runs out.
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Re: Applaws food

By the way, the high vs low quality cat food debate always amuses me as it mirrors the breastfeeding vs formula feeding debates I used to come across on baby forums!
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