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Old 28-02-2009, 08:48 AM
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Re: Dry food and vets advice?

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Not surprised to see the amount of kickback. Am getting the OH to do internet research for the food but the Sensitive food i've bought says "veterinary exclusive" so not much hope there then.
What ailment are you feeding the sensitive food for may I ask?
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Re: Dry food and vets advice?

I would also get hold of a copy of this book:
Hardback - Your Cat: A Revolutionary Approach to Feline Health and Happiness
Paperback - Your Cat: Simple New Secrets to a Longer, Stronger Life by Elizabeth M. Hodgkins

Your Cat: A Revolutionary Approach to Feline…Amazon.co.uk: Elizabeth M. Hodgkins: Books

Elizabeth is a US vet who used to work for the pet food industry and is a feline nutrional specialist.
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Re: Dry food and vets advice?

wow! thank you all so much for your advice, encouragment and info, I really appreciate it and, and I do have to say a little of me was wondering - due to the fact the vets have a shop and sell food as most of them do - if there might be a bit of a kicker in the advice!.

I was working on the principal that a varied diet and everything in moderation, like with the family, is a good thing and though I do appreciate cats are very specific in their nutritional needs, I was very much hoping that -as you mention - if Im giving the majority of food as complete, then a small portion of Applaws etc once a day would satisfy my wish to give them high quality protein, whilst still giving them the majority of their diet as complete in the hope that overall the balance will be right. But I will monitor them very closely too.

I was hoping to aim for Hilife in the morning (half pouch each) then JW in the day but a gradually reducing portion (its the bulk of their diet now) and then give half a small tin of Applaws each at tea time, but do appreciated the advice that this will need to be done slowly.

They are given cat milk every day so Im hoping this can be cut down gradually too, maybe to once or twice a week, as I dont really think it has much nutritional value as such and with tubby tabby it may help her a little.

If I can wean them down to much less of the dry, would it be a good idea to introduce half a pouch of Hilife at tea time and then a small portion (half small tin) of Applaws/cooked chuicken before bedtime do you think?

Ive bought Da Bird and lots of toys to hopefully interest her to become more active, there are 4 of us to play with and to encourage her to play and even encouraging her to trot up and down stairs a few times a day Im hoping in combination with a more wet/higher quality diet and less carbs over time it may help.

I really appreciate you all taking the time to advise me and your knowledge has helped me so much to stick to my guns, so thank you all again - and Im checking out that book as I type!

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Re: Dry food and vets advice?

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Sorry but what utter tosh! A complete food in the eyes of a food manufacturer is based on limited research. I can go to a processor today and order a food that has all bits and bobs in it call it complete and have it on the shelves in 10 days. There is no legistlation that would stop me from doing this in the uk. Lets take Taurine as an example there is no research in the world that clearly details the level of taurine needed in a cats diet. They do know that too little causes heart issues. If you read a cat food label and it actually lists the taurine level it will be high. However, what is not said is that 80% of this level is destroyed by the cooking process.

Your diet plan was quite balanced and I would not worry about it.




If you were to fully compare the costs of feeding a quality wet against a quality dry there is little between them on a per cat per day basis.



Don't get too hung up on when to give complimentary as opposed to "complete" like all of us everything in moderation. if your diet is 80% complete and 20% complementary (inc treats) then there is nothing to worry about as nutrients are absorbed overtime. I feed mostly raw, some days my cats will get meat with bone, others without bone and others without offal. Meal, bone and offal are fundimental to a raw diet but they don't need each element at every meal. When I'm at a cat show my show cats get appalws. Two whole days on applaws to hear some people they would be at deaths door not winning in every ring!

thank you very much for this Karen, Ive pasted this into Word to keep me focussed! xxxx
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I would also get hold of a copy of this book:
Hardback - Your Cat: A Revolutionary Approach to Feline Health and Happiness
Paperback - Your Cat: Simple New Secrets to a Longer, Stronger Life by Elizabeth M. Hodgkins

Your Cat: A Revolutionary Approach to Feline…Amazon.co.uk: Elizabeth M. Hodgkins: Books

Elizabeth is a US vet who used to work for the pet food industry and is a feline nutrional specialist.

really interesting! am ordering a copy form Amazon, thanks! xx
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Re: Dry food and vets advice?

sorry to pick your brains yet again! am I right in understanding when Im changing from Whiskas to the Hilife etc, I should add a little of the new feed alongside the Whiskas and let them taste it and gradually increase the amount of new food and slowly decrease the old stuff until its all the new? and equally when introducing a wet meal in evening (which they dont have now) do it in very small portions to start with and slowly put less dry food out in the day? or is there another way you feel is better? thanks again! xxx
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What ailment are you feeding the sensitive food for may I ask?
Karen - seems like you are doing a two for the price of one here (sorry Tabbytails for semi-hijacking along the way).

Am going to order the book you suggested for myself as well - thanks for the link. Patch has a tendancy to throw up (worming tablets came up this morning) which is why i'm tending to use the sensitive food. Its possibly due to the changing diets (have to remember i am still a complete novice here) but ihave mentioned it to the Vet who has told me to keep an eye on things.

Anyway thanks for giving two of us a helping hand.
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no worries Jo! hope Patch is ok xxx
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sorry to pick your brains yet again! am I right in understanding when Im changing from Whiskas to the Hilife etc, I should add a little of the new feed alongside the Whiskas and let them taste it and gradually increase the amount of new food and slowly decrease the old stuff until its all the new? and equally when introducing a wet meal in evening (which they dont have now) do it in very small portions to start with and slowly put less dry food out in the day? or is there another way you feel is better? thanks again! xxx
Sometimes this works but some of the cheaper foods are so stacked full of taste enhancers (remember the 8 out of 10 cats prefer it ads) that they may just ignore the new food. better to mix the two together and reduce the whiskas over time.
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Karen - seems like you are doing a two for the price of one here (sorry Tabbytails for semi-hijacking along the way).

Am going to order the book you suggested for myself as well - thanks for the link. Patch has a tendancy to throw up (worming tablets came up this morning) which is why i'm tending to use the sensitive food. Its possibly due to the changing diets (have to remember i am still a complete novice here) but ihave mentioned it to the Vet who has told me to keep an eye on things.

Anyway thanks for giving two of us a helping hand.
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No probs we were all novices once. Keep us upto date on Patches throwing up issues
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