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Re: New Raggie kittens

mine like a bit of change, my raggies & other cats have, different dry & wet, all very good condition, remember to ask the breeder what she feeds & she should give you a kitten pack.

very exciting, what colour/pattern are you getting!!!
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Re: New Raggie kittens

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you don't need to wait until they are 6 months. You can change their food once they have settled in into their new loving home.

As I said, I also like Lily's Kitchen and why don't you make that a brand within your rotation? The only gripe I have with it is the price - for what it is.

Re the dry food - have you considered getting an automatic feeder. Some have cooling elements or can be plugged in so keep wet food fresh. I personally don't think that having a professional life (gosh that sounds lewd but you know what I mean - i hope) means that you need to feed dry, or a lot of dry.
Professional life? Ha, I'm anything but a professional LOL.

I did consider getting an auto feeder, but the lady said it wouldn't be any good because it would still allow the food to get warm and bacteria to "go forth and multiply" :| I'll allow the little things to settle in first and then change their diet, I don't want them to go through too much in one go.

Well after discussing with the boyfriend, we're both agreed on Lily's Kitchen, Orijen and Smilla, just need to make sure that it balances out financially (even if it doesn't, I welcome a beans-on-toast diet!).

Dry just seems too easy and convenient. Plus the dry food is apparently left out all the time and replenished in the morning - that to me is going to cause obesity and other problems.

Can't believe I gotta wait 3-4 weeks! Its gonna be torture!
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Old 17-06-2011, 04:21 PM
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Dry just seems too easy and convenient. Plus the dry food is apparently left out all the time and replenished in the morning - that to me is going to cause obesity and other problems.
Well, just in case you need a little push, here is a cut and paste from another thread on the dry food. Here are the two main reasons for choosing a wet only diet:

1) cats are not naturally good drinkers, which goes back to the time when they would have satisfied most of their moisture needs from the prey that they catch - meat contains a lot of water but they also drink the blood of their prey. So, for example, raw food contains about 70-80% of water, and wet food contains about that too. Now compare this to the 7-10% of moisture content of dry food.

Indeed, studies have shown that cats who are fed a diet consisting of wet food that contains about 70-80% of moisture don't tend (and don't need to either) to take in any more water from external sources. Also, cats who previously were fed dry food and were drinking a lot stopped drinking from external sources when fed a food high in moisture content.

Ok, so cats who are fed a dry diet take in moisture from external sources more so than their wet-fed peers. Fair dos one might think. However, studies have also shown that although cats drink a lot more than wet-fed cats, they still don't take in as much moisture as cats take in from their wet food, which leads to more concentrated urine, which CAN lead to urinary and other issues.

So, that is one of arguments. The other is

2) the carb content of dry food, which tends to contain an excessive amount of grains. Don't get me wrong, there are some wet foods that I rate very highly that also contain grains (Grau, Mac's, Pfotenliebe etc) but they only contain a small percentage of fillers; nothing compared to the 30-40% + often seen in dry food. Cats aren't very good at utilising that amount of grain (protein) and it can have all sorts of unwanted side-effects, from smelly to frequenty poops, to obesity, to urinary issues (because the high grain content alters the urine ph).

Orijen is one of the best dry cat foods there are, as far as such a thing as a good dry food exists (for the lack of moisture discussed above). It has a comparatively low carb content compared to other dry foods, but the carb content is still higher than most of the wet foods you can find (and even those that contain grains).

Finally, one of the arguments often put forward for a dry diet is that it helps with dental health. Now, that is pile of ******** unless we are talking about the special formulated dental kibble as most cats either swallow the kibble whole or crunch it in half. No dental benefits there. Incidentally, neither does wet food have any. You really need something that is chewed and where abrasive action helps keeps the teeth and gums clean. Two main ways of helping with that are chunks or raw food or raw meaty bones (e.g. chicken wings, necks, quail, one day chicks etc) or brushing your cat's teeth, of course.


Not all automatic feeders are the same. As I said, some are more snazzy than others and they have coolers.

If you want to feed a little dry for during the day, then you could always explore treat balls as a fun way for them to work for their kibble. And perhaps look into getting a water fountain too!



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Re: New Raggie kittens

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Dry just seems too easy and convenient. Plus the dry food is apparently left out all the time and replenished in the morning - that to me is going to cause obesity and other problems.

Can't believe I gotta wait 3-4 weeks! Its gonna be torture!
your be very hard pushed to get a obese cat with biscuits left out, cats are mini eaters, going back and forth many times eating little and often and have a off switch when full!

so unless you feed them human food and tones of treats they they wont be obese, raggies are big cats, and kittens need acess to food so please do not worry about them being over weight or becoming obese!! if they are hungry feed them if not, dont, go by your cat!

what colour/patterns are you getting??
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Re: New Raggie kittens

Might also be worth your while to check out Leonardo as a wet food. The contact details are on the A-Z. Might be worth contacting their UK warehouse to see whether they would send you a couple of sample tins.
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Old 20-06-2011, 09:53 AM
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Re: New Raggie kittens

Yeah, I'll check out Leonardo's, see if I can get a sample.
Alas, this rescue is done by one woman and I know we won't get a kitten pack per se. Just the documents with vet history etc.
I visited the kitties this week and their living conditions was very good. I was a bit horrified that one of them is on felix kitten food and the other is on Royal Canin. I suppose I'm very picky LOL (much to my other half's dismay haha).

We won't get them for another 3 weeks, so enough to prepare and sort out the leads behind the TV!

I'll be getting a tabby girl, Pepa (after my favourite fiesty 80's singer) - who is very curious, quite boisterous and not phased by people, the other isn't a raggie - its a cream/peach BSH longhair, Hugo. He is too cute for words! Again, very playful, but in typical BSH fashion (like his mother), was also very calm and almost fell asleep in his food bowl lol. Both eat well and didn't mind being handled. Very loud eaters, actually! Stay tuned for pics

I agree Hobbs, its complete BS that biscuits help with dental care. That's like us eating rich tea. How does it help?! I have seen proper dental chews etc, but then I might as well just get a kitty toothbrush and do it myself! Like I said, biscuits is too convenient and too easy. Plus the excessive carbs and grain content doesn't exactly make me want to them a lot. However, I'm more than convinced Orijen is the best choice for biscuits! I'll be ordering next week after pay day.

I met my very first MC at the rescue. She was red and female, but cor they're huge! Gorgeous fur and tail though. That hasn't put me off wanting one in the future!

Aaaah I hope the Supreme start selling tickets soon, I've got to go this year!
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