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Old 28-09-2011, 12:03 PM
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They would have registered her as a pet, many people aren't aware of the ins and outs of gccf so a registration, even if only as a pet, makes the animal sound like its of higher value. People who then don't find out about these things would never know the difference, thinking they have paid for a registered pedigree kitty.
Are you sure? I know pet quality cats can be registered as pets on the inactive register provided the sire and dam are registered on the active register. However, to breed from a cat on the inactive register, in other words, sire, dam or both have been sold as pets themselves, is backyard breeding. Supposedly one of the safe guards against this is the inability to register the progeny from such a mating. If this rule does not apply, which is what you are saying by disagreeing with GM, why even have an active and inactive register? If anyone can get a pedigree and breed from it then register the kittens it renders the two registers meaningless.

I think I'll contact my friend on the committee for the Birman Cat Club and check this out because it doesn't sound right to me.
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Re: GCCF - what does this mean to me?

If mum and dad AREN'T on the active register then the kittens cannot be registered with the GCCF

from the GCCF website
'The GCCF will not register kittens born from a parent on the Non-Active register and cats may only be transferred from the Non-Active to the Active register by the breeder or the person who first registered the cat, who is under no obligation to do so.'
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If mum and dad AREN'T on the active register then the kittens cannot be registered with the GCCF

from the GCCF website
'The GCCF will not register kittens born from a parent on the Non-Active register and cats may only be transferred from the Non-Active to the Active register by the breeder or the person who first registered the cat, who is under no obligation to do so.'
Yup, I thought as much.
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Re: GCCF - what does this mean to me?

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If mum and dad AREN'T on the active register then the kittens cannot be registered with the GCCF

from the GCCF website
'The GCCF will not register kittens born from a parent on the Non-Active register and cats may only be transferred from the Non-Active to the Active register by the breeder or the person who first registered the cat, who is under no obligation to do so.'
Wouldn't they register the kittens the same as one would register a moggy? I've been told it's possible to register a moggy as a pet, and hence why I thought that would be how they could offer a registration of the kitten.
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Wouldn't they register the kittens the same as one would register a moggy? I've been told it's possible to register a moggy as a pet, and hence why I thought that would be how they could offer a registration of the kitten.
I've never heard of moggies being registered with the GCCF. I don't know why they would do that, but if they are I'm sure someone will jump in and say so.

Edited to say that the only reason I can think of to explain why someone would register a moggie is if that moggie has some distinctive features which someone notices and decides they will try to reproduce those features through controlled breeding, hence setting up a breeding programme. Eventually, when they have produced a cat which shows those distinctive features over several generations, they would give the cat a breed name and provided they match all the criteria laid out by the GCCF, it could then be recognised as a new pedigree breed. I don't see any other reason why people would register moggies on any kind of register.
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Re: GCCF - what does this mean to me?

Yes, I think they can but they are registered as unknown parentage, and the same would go for kittens bred from non active parents - so wouldn't prove a thing or really be worth the paper they are written on.
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Yes, I think they can but they are registered as unknown parentage, and the same would go for kittens bred from non active parents - so wouldn't prove a thing or really be worth the paper they are written on.
That's what I was referring to. It's a way for a BYB to dupe an unknowing owner who knows diddly squat about GCCF in to thinking their cat is a proper pedigree!
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That's what I was referring to. It's a way for a BYB to dupe an unknowing owner who knows diddly squat about GCCF in to thinking their cat is a proper pedigree!
I suppose but it would say parentage unknown on it - not a breed name or number. But yes, it would be possible to dupe someone that way - that's why we always say ask to see the mums registration cert (cos it will say on there no progeny to be registered, if she is inactive) before parting with any money.
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I suppose but it would say parentage unknown on it - not a breed name or number. But yes, it would be possible to dupe someone that way - that's why we always say ask to see the mums registration cert (cos it will say on there no progeny to be registered, if she is inactive) before parting with any money.
That is what somebody should do, but reality is that many people looking for "pedigrees" get their kittens off freeads, gumtree etc, and thus don't really gather information about pedigrees, what to look for and what you should expect (i.e. a GCCF slip with registered parents, numbers, prefixes, a paper showing the pedigree with previous generations names, etc).

For example when I picked up Benji I received the GCCF slip, his pedigree showing his ancestors, his favorite toy, his vaccination informaiton inside a kitten pack that showed his stats on the dates he was taken to the vets i.e. eyes, nose, ears clear, weight etc s I can see how much he has developed since!
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