Cats ill Because of Man made chemicals in Cans - Page 3

#21 (**permalink**) 19-04-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitty_pig

Could the PDSA possibly arrange a "home visit"? I may be sounding extremely thick but I cant think of anything else to help x

I wouldn't have thought they would as they are a charity and if they do it for one they would have to do it for everyone.

IndysMamma · #22 (**permalink**) 19-04-2011, 05:10 PM

Maybe contact Cinnamon Trust? they are a charity that help with the elderly and their pets - maybe they could help with transport?

missye87 · #23 (**permalink**) 19-04-2011, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hobbs2004

I was going to keep sitting on my fingers and not reply to this but

ScottyJock, does your cat use the litter tray? Walk on the floor? Eat more than one flavour cat food? Do you own electrical equipment? Carpet? Do you flea treat your cat? Does the food that you feed contain enough iodine? These are just some of the things that have been correlated with feline hyperthyroidism. Some of them are more strongly correlated than others but all of them have been significant in one study or another.

However, these are all retrospective, correlational studies. Cats that have FHT and those who do no are compared on a number of variables. Whether any of these than actually CAUSE FHT is a completely different matter. To my knowledge, that data doesn't currently exist as we would need to have a longitudinal study that follows cats - ideally from kittenhood till their death and documents every single thing that happens in their life. Not a mean feat.

If you are at all concerned about the level of BPA in the food -- that you eat yourself because BPA also appears in human food stuff - or your pet, then I suggest you phone the manufacturer to find out whether they use BPA coated tins. A lot of pet food manufacturers, particularly in the US where the outcry and scaremongering has been bigger, already do. However, there is also the (alleged) issue with the chemical that is being used to seal the tins and if you feed pouches, then you apparently have potentially yet another problem (which now escapes me).

So, what do you do if you are not buying the claim that any levels of BPA are too small to have an impact (an both the human or the pet consuming them)? Do you feed dry food? Well, then you have the problem of the lack of moisture that is inherent in that food stuff and the health issues that can cause. You also have the issue of the huge amount of grains that are being used, which bumps up the carb content in cat food to undesirable levels, which in turn can lead to health issues, such as obesity but it can also contribute to urinary issues by changing the ph level of the food. And let us not forget the use of preservatives to keep the dry food edible for an extended period of time.

So, tinned wet food and possible those in pouches as well as dry food is out of the equation because either can lead to potential health problems either. So, what now? Homemade raw or cooked food, perhaps? Well, then you have the issue of bacterial contamination, e.g. salmonella, ecoli etc that are more of an issue for humans than for pets but hey, we hear that all the time. And then there is the issue of being clued up enough to provide a nutritious meal for our pets that we make ourselves. And then there is the issue of bones, which need to be fed to get calcium in to their diet, which can lead to perforations or blockages.

So, now what do you do? Best not to get a pet if you are susceptible to believing all the scaremongering about additives, preservatives, colourants, certain meats and fish, the manufacturing process, the materials used etc etc.

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ScottyJock · #24 (**permalink**) 21-04-2011, 08:08 AM

Im not complaining so much about £24 a month,for pills,even although its more costly than normal buying online.but I do feel vets charge high fee's, which isnt really needed, example the vets surgery is less than a 10 minute walk,if I had been able to cope with a cat basket and two crutches I would have took it myself ,They had no reason to charge over £70 to come and check the cat,and another £23 to take it back to the surgery they were going back any how, its only £2.50 by taxi, which I later found out ,,if experianced at all they would have recognised the syptoms of Thyroidsm if its that common illness.it cost more to come and see the cat than stay in their hospital a day and a night, £10 for hospitalization. in fact the vet didnt do anything when came, other than walked in and asked how cat was and I told them the cat has started to stagger while trying to walk and back legs keep collapsing, next thing was here sign this to agree to pay the costs of treatment.. that was more important than how cat was.make sure the paper is signed to get paid,they tend to be afraid no one will pay,So prooves more interested in cash than how cat is ,, what would have happened if I hadnt any cash to pay for treatment would they have let my cat suffer in pain.

I remember in 10th March 1980,, I had a house fire and my dog was burnt accross his back and the police asked me if I wanted a vet I said of course there is the dog and two cats, The police contacted the the vet, He refused to come out to check the animals as he wanted to be paid first the policeman stated to me, The vet wont come, he wont attend people in council houses ,, he was expecting me to carry lots of cash in my pockets,
so luckily a friend of mine cared for my cats and dog with a burn cream he had for his animals..but I always remembered vets are only in it for cash, animals is second.

And before you asked how I remember date, I lost my wife and wee daughter in the fire whilst I was at work, luckily my son aged 6 was at school,that was when we left living in a town in a council house.if I was going to be looked on as scum, why do in it a house,when I can be happy in a caravan,why should vets only be interested in rich and fatarsed farmers "Money",,reason they all run around in forty thousand pound jeeps,

As for paying for pills ,if its a must then it must be,, but would hate to have cat on these pills and she still goes about staggering and have her back legs still unable to hold her up thats just prolonging the illness, I asked the vet if Minnis waist may be thin due to worm infestation noticed she scrapes her butt accross floor sometimes, never answered, was more interested in getting form signed ,they never mentioned worms is that for another days testing, she cant stand will that be another future test,after all it seems if the vet is quite happy to prolong the tests after all its more cash for them,,they didnt say whether arthritic or worms, just that its Throydism common in cats,and I can have her on 2 pills a day or 1 pill a day,I asked for 1 pill a day as I have enough to remember all my own medication,, so was given antibiotics at £9 and and the next day friend called in and got Vildata at £24.with instructions keep taking pills.

I phoned up few days later and told them Cat is still having problems standing on back legs ,next his statement was oh maybe she needs more tests,, Thats when I said yes thats a good wage earner another test.so you cant diagnose whats wrong with the cat as old vets used to do.reminds me of todays Doctors on NHS if the pills dont work refer ye to tests at a hospital, even animal Doctors cant do anything, but hand out pills,I bet even Vets have a similar MIMMs book recomending what pills to hand out.

Funny thing is even my Doctor runs around in a brand new landrover and porsche also must be good paying jobs caring for humans and animals.

missye87 · #25 (**permalink**) 21-04-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottyJock

Im not complaining so much about £24 a month,for pills,even although its more costly than normal buying online.but I do feel vets charge high fee's, which isnt really needed, example the vets surgery is less than a 10 minute walk,if I had been able to cope with a cat basket and two crutches I would have took it myself ,They had no reason to charge over £70 to come and check the cat,and another £23 to take it back to the surgery they were going back any how, its only £2.50 by taxi, which I later found out ,,if experianced at all they would have recognised the syptoms of Thyroidsm if its that common illness.it cost more to come and see the cat than stay in their hospital a day and a night, £10 for hospitalization. in fact the vet didnt do anything when came, other than walked in and asked how cat was and I told them the cat has started to stagger while trying to walk and back legs keep collapsing, next thing was here sign this to agree to pay the costs of treatment.. that was more important than how cat was.make sure the paper is signed to get paid,they tend to be afraid no one will pay,So prooves more interested in cash than how cat is ,, what would have happened if I hadnt any cash to pay for treatment would they have let my cat suffer in pain.

I remember in 10th March 1980,, I had a house fire and my dog was burnt accross his back and the police asked me if I wanted a vet I said of course there is the dog and two cats, The police contacted the the vet, He refused to come out to check the animals as he wanted to be paid first the policeman stated to me, The vet wont come, he wont attend people in council houses ,, he was expecting me to carry lots of cash in my pockets,
so luckily a friend of mine cared for my cats and dog with a burn cream he had for his animals..but I always remembered vets are only in it for cash, animals is second.

And before you asked how I remember date, I lost my wife and wee daughter in the fire whilst I was at work, luckily my son aged 6 was at school,that was when we left living in a town in a council house.if I was going to be looked on as scum, why do in it a house,when I can be happy in a caravan,why should vets only be interested in rich and fatarsed farmers "Money",,reason they all run around in forty thousand pound jeeps,

As for paying for pills ,if its a must then it must be,, but would hate to have cat on these pills and she still goes about staggering and have her back legs still unable to hold her up thats just prolonging the illness, I asked the vet if Minnis waist may be thin due to worm infestation noticed she scrapes her butt accross floor sometimes, never answered, was more interested in getting form signed ,they never mentioned worms is that for another days testing, she cant stand will that be another future test,after all it seems if the vet is quite happy to prolong the tests after all its more cash for them,,they didnt say whether arthritic or worms, just that its Throydism common in cats,and I can have her on 2 pills a day or 1 pill a day,I asked for 1 pill a day as I have enough to remember all my own medication,, so was given antibiotics at £9 and and the next day friend called in and got Vildata at £24.with instructions keep taking pills.

I phoned up few days later and told them Cat is still having problems standing on back legs ,next his statement was oh maybe she needs more tests,, Thats when I said yes thats a good wage earner another test.so you cant diagnose whats wrong with the cat as old vets used to do.reminds me of todays Doctors on NHS if the pills dont work refer ye to tests at a hospital, even animal Doctors cant do anything, but hand out pills,I bet even Vets have a similar MIMMs book recomending what pills to hand out.

Funny thing is even my Doctor runs around in a brand new landrover and porsche also must be good paying jobs caring for humans and animals.

You mentioned that she drags her bum across the floor. Now obviously I'm no vet, but that can also be a sign of impacted analglands, which would need to be expressed by the vet. Sooty had those and his becamequite inflamed, didn't stagger but was in pain while walking. We originally thought it was arthritis but the vet expressed his glands and has been ok since.

buffie · #26 (**permalink**) 21-04-2011, 09:01 AM

Have you taken her back to the vets though, is she still staggering and sleeping lots and suffering ? and by the sounds of it you had a home consult that then required the cat to go to the surgery for further tests, that is very different to being charged £70 for them to take your cat to the vet as stated in your first post, if you have such an axe to grind against vets then I suggest that you don't have pets as it is inevitable that they have to see a vet.

gloworm*mushroom · #27 (**permalink**) 21-04-2011, 11:04 AM

So by your reckoning healthcare for animals should be free and vets and doctors should be low wage earners so they dont have flash cars.

Give me a break seriously. You havent even tried the thyroid medications for more than a few days. Treat her for thyroidism, if that doesnt work, then start moaning. You keep saying about all these tests the vets want to to. YOU mentioned arthritis. YOU mentioned worms. The vet doesnt have a huge long list of things he is testing for, youre the one with the ideas.

All I have seen from you is the vet saying hyperthyroidism and the tests associated. The way you have treated your vets and their receptionists over the past week, you cannot be surprised they arent all sunshine and rainbows when you walk through the door, cos I certainly wouldnt be be.

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