Free Kitten Packs? - Page 3

Saikou · #21 (**permalink**) 30-11-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Clare Ferris

I am a vet nurse as well as breeder with an interest in nutrition so I know what im talking about thanks, oh and I also add other things to my packs from hills.

Just as an aside, can I ask whether the practice you work for sells Hills products? Do they sell solely Hills?

Clare Ferris · #22 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 01:54 PM

I am not sure where these so called facts have come from, I assume that you mean the lower water content in relation to kidney disease?? But then cats that hav dry tend to drink more whereas cats on wet hardly ever drink. But then high amounts of low quality protein can also predispose to kidney problems and as for Diabetes that is linked to obesity not carbs as far as I am aware. I do use dry food as it can be left down and does not go off, cats prefer to graze feed so this suits them. I dont like wet food because of the dental disease risks which can only be avoided if you brush your cats teeth, do you do this? I work with vets that use hills and rc and I am sure if there was proven evidence to support what you say then they would not use it. I dont want to get into an argument either I am stating what I prefer and have found to be best from my expehttp://www.petforums.co.uk/images/editor/color.gifrience of keeping cats and my nutritional training. If your information is based on internet sources then I would say dont believe everything you read. The internet is an open forum any anyone can post anecdotal info on there. I think this whole hypoallergenic craze some people are on is just that and is purely a marketing thing. Just my opinion.
Clare

Clare Ferris · #23 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 01:58 PM

We sell hills and rc as these are what we believe to be the best high quality foods. It has nothing to do with my choices on what I feed my own cats. My experience and that of others suggests that our cats do better on high quality foods. These companies put alot of money into research into what is healthy and what is not. I assume you are another hypoallergenic fan !
Clare

Clare Ferris · #24 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 02:04 PM

So can I ask what wet food you use or are you a raw food person?

Saikou · #25 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Clare Ferris

then I would say dont believe everything you read.

I would say the same to vets who seem to swallow what the dry food manufacturers tell them about their product without questioning it. Most seem to be brainwashed by the manufacturers blurb, as do all who work with them.

I do not think that its unrelated either that vets training on cat nutrition forms a miniscule part of their overall course. Nor that any nutritional seminars, CPD etc are mainly run by or sponsored by dry food manufacturers.

Cats on a dried diet do drink more more water agreed, but are not programmed to drink sufficient water to countermand the dehydrating affects of the food.

IF you have a genuine interest in nutrition you should try reading Your Cat by Elizabeth Hodgkins, a vet and cat breeder who has also worked within the pet food industry for a number of years, which by anyones reckoning would make her far more qualified to have an opinion on feline nutrition than most people.

As far as Hills are concerned try googling Hills and Ethoxyquin. I thought they had stopped using it, but apparently not. Of course whether you choose to accept what you read is entirely up to you

spid · #26 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Clare Ferris

whereas cats on wet hardly ever drink. My cats, fed purely on wet drink quite a bit out of the water fountain. I dont like wet food because of the dental disease risks which can only be avoided if you brush your cats teeth, do you do this? Dry doesn't clean teeth either though - it shatters on impact and no massaging of gums or teeth occurs - raw chicken wings on the other hand do massage and clean the teeth and gums. If your information is based on internet sources then I would say dont believe everything you read. The internet is an open forum any anyone can post anecdotal info on there. And you can also get very good proper research on the internet too I think this whole hypoallergenic craze some people are on is just that and is purely a marketing thing. ANd the big companies are also 'marketing', as is kitten food- I did a study (a proper one) and found NO difference between some kitten foods and adult foods other than price! Just my opinion. Mine too

Clare

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Biawhiska · #27 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 04:46 PM

No one will ever agree on what food is best. It's like baby formula milk, those debates can get quite heated!

At the end of the day what suits one cat won't always suit another. Hills would make one of mine very sick, and the siamese would always eat it too fast and puke it back up!!!

None of mine will touch Applaws dry, and I don't like RC, and it also makes the siamese puke.

Since using wet foods and either raw or cooked meats my cats never sick their food back up! They themselves would rather starve than eat dry.

Except for my 2 moggies who i am still trying to get off dry but it's not happening

Saikou · #28 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 05:28 PM

The original thread was about kitten packs. I personally object to someone coming on declaring that x brand is the best food then trying to add weight to what is in effect just their own personal opinion by stating they are a vet nurse and know what they are talking about. Reminds me of another individual we had on here

Kalipha · #29 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 05:36 PM

Back on topic! I like Orijen for various reasons, while I feed raw as well I like having dry available for convenience (Sometimes I go away overnight or the weekend. I feed raw when I leave in the morning, raw when I get back at the end of the following day or whatever, and they can feed themselves off the dry while I'm gone. No one's gonna make me feel guilty about that

).

Orijen do a breeder program with free kitten packs - ORIJEN Partner Programme | Orijen Pet Foods .co.uk - and once I have a second girl (hoping to keep one from the first litter if all goes well and there's the right lass in there) I'll be signing up. Most breeder programs I've seen are minimum 2 queens.

spid · #30 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 06:05 PM

I tend to make up my own kitten packs. I feed raw and good quality wet - if the new owner lives close by they get some raw to take with them (if they want to) if not then I just pop in a couple of the other stuff. I don't think I buy enough of any one thing to use breeder packs. ANd like you, Kalipha, I only have one queen at the moment.

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