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Old 15-01-2010, 04:10 PM
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BSH Colour predictions

Was wondering if anyone could help me I have a cream self BSH girl. She carrys colourpoint. She has black and lilac in her pedigrees. And I have a blue boy who carries colourpoint and has lialc, choc and black in his pedigree. What colours could I expect from a mating between these two? I have some idea but wondered what a more experienced breeder may suggest.
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Re: BSH Colour predictions

It would depend what base colour your cream girl is and what she carries - what are her parents ? All boys from the mating will be creams though, self and colour point. All girls will be tortie in definitely blue, possibly lilac. Do you have caramel in BSH?
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Re: BSH Colour predictions

Her parents were cream self dad and black tortie mother
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Re: BSH Colour predictions

In British Shorthairs we dont have a caramal colour, Not commonly anyay there is a fawn variety which is still fairly new. My boy by the way has a lilac mother and a cream father.
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Re: BSH Colour predictions

Do you know what base the Dad is? She is probably blue based but thats not definite. Is she quite a cool cream ? Chocolate based creams/reds are supposed to be brighter.

As the above then definitely cream boys, blue tortie (blue/cream) girls - maybe lilac tortie girls - all in self and colourpoint.
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In British Shorthairs we dont have a caramal colour, Not commonly anyay there is a fawn variety which is still fairly new. My boy by the way has a lilac mother and a cream father.
So he definitely carries chocolate then, if your girl does then lilac torties are a possibility.

Are there cinnamon british then ? How lovely

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Re: BSH Colour predictions

yes cinnamon and fawn. They are lovely and as I said still not that common in BSh. My girl is a apricoty cream not really pale but not too deep, certainly not a red looking cream, howver her litter mate was a red! I love predicting colours but it gets so confusing. Thought I had it all thought out last litter and was completely wrong got one colour i was exoecting, I mated my lilac tortie colourpoint to a choc self and got a creams self, a red self and a red colourpoint!

My cream girls mother is a black red tortie (grandparents were Black smoke and cream) her father a cream self whose dad was a lilac colourpoint and mother a blue cream.
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Re: BSH Colour predictions

saikou - what do you mean by colour base - is this a BSH thing cos a cream birman is just a dilute red? OOO, I'm excited there might be more gentics stuff to leanr
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Re: BSH Colour predictions

Dont think she will get any self females?

Wouldnt she get all cream males in self or cp

Blue cream or lilac tortie girls in self or cp

Cinnamons are gorgeous arent they
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yes cinnamon and fawn. They are lovely and as I said still not that common in BSh. My girl is a apricoty cream not really pale but not too deep, certainly not a red looking cream, howver her litter mate was a red! I love predicting colours but it gets so confusing. Thought I had it all thought out last litter and was completely wrong got one colour i was exoecting, I mated my lilac tortie colourpoint to a choc self and got a creams self, a red self and a red colourpoint!

My cream girls mother is a black red tortie (grandparents were Black smoke and cream) her father a cream self whose dad was a lilac colourpoint and mother a blue cream.
I just googled, they look gorgeous. I think choccie BSH are lovely to, cinnys even better. Those colours look great with their lovely plush coats.

She definitely has a chance of carrying choc or being choc based then. Time will tell, if you get lilac torties then you will know at least she is a carrier. You would need to mate her to a choc to see what her base is. Any blue torties in that litter then she is definitely blue based, all lilac torties and she is choc/lilac based.

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saikou - what do you mean by colour base - is this a BSH thing cos a cream birman is just a dilute red? OOO, I'm excited there might be more gentics stuff to leanr
No its the same for all cats. The O genes are a separate group of genes and are not a colour gene as such, they still have their main colour genes as well. So a red can either be black, choc or cinny based and a cream blue, lilac or fawn based. Its the base colour that helps you predict the colour of any any non red/cream kittens in the litter.

My cream point siamese is blue based, so breeds as a blue point, but with the O stuff thrown in.
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