Patterns

Milly22 · #1 (**permalink**) 14-01-2010, 01:28 PM

Hello again,

Poppy is getting a big girl now and I am thinking of which stud to take her to.

I love tabbys (as you may know or not) but am finding the genetics/patterns a little bit mind boggling.

I have just about worked out the colours and patterns but I wondered what the percentage would roughly be of tabbies in the litter if I stud her to a tabby boy Poppy is blue mitted the stud in mind is seal carying blue, so they will be blue, I believe and I/she will have mitted, and colourpoint and high mitted but I have no idea of the number of tabbies she may have and how many just blues she will have ?

Or is it pot luck or 50/50 ?

She is a Ragdoll if this helps.

Many thanks for any advice.

Saikou · #2 (**permalink**) 14-01-2010, 01:33 PM

It depends if the tabby stud has 2 agouti (tabby) genes or one and one non agouti. If he has 2 agouti genes all kittens will be tabbies, if he has one then probability says 50/50 but Mother Nature always makes her own mind up about that. For colour again 50/50 blues/seals - unless they both carry choc ? Then you can add that and lilac into the mix.

ellie8024 · #3 (**permalink**) 14-01-2010, 01:35 PM

i just looked it up and it seems that you will get 50/50 on both colour and patters.

Milly22 · #4 (**permalink**) 14-01-2010, 01:50 PM

Oh that Agouti word again It keeps popping up when I am reading! Gosh it's mind blowing then they start going onto letters C2 DD etc etc.

Okay so if his parents were both tabby then perhaps all tabby but if one parent was not tabby then less tabbies ?

Only one of his parents was tabby the other was blue colourpoint.

He is also mitted so that is why we would get the 3 patterns, possibly, if I am reading correctly.

No choc in them just seal carrying blue (him) and blue (her).

Thanks again.

I am getting excited in advance.

Saikou · #5 (**permalink**) 14-01-2010, 01:57 PM

If both parents are tabby, it would depend on whether they carried a non agouti gene.

However, as he has a non tabby parent, then he definitely would carry non agouti, so you can expect 50/50 tabbies non tabbies in seal and blue. I would have to look the mitting up as I don't have to deal with that in siamese and oris, but I would assume as both parents are mitted that would be very high % or all mitted.

Milly22 · #6 (**permalink**) 14-01-2010, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saikou

If both parents are tabby, it would depend on whether they carried a non agouti gene.

However, as he has a non tabby parent, then he definitely would carry non agouti, so you can expect 50/50 tabbies non tabbies in seal and blue. I would have to look the mitting up as I don't have to deal with that in siamese and oris, but I would assume as both parents are mitted that would be very high % or all mitted.

50/50 would be lovely. Someone said with tabbies that you can never be sure and that i may end up with lots of Poppy doubles and say, 1 tabby.

Hmm that may happen if she has 2 or 3 I guess. That would be fine.

I need to read more about this agouti gene though, without my eyes going square/blurred.

Saikou · #7 (**permalink**) 14-01-2010, 02:12 PM

All you can state is probability, but it very rarely works out that perfectly. Like the proportion of males and females in a litter. Some cats are also better at passing on recessive genes than others. Techically if that applied to the stud you want to use you could end up with a litter of all blues. Usually the only thing you can rely on is that if you REALLY want something in a litter, thats the one thing you won't have

sods law

The agouti gene works the same way as any other gene. 'A' (agouti) is dominant to its recessive 'a' (non agouti) counterpart.

spid · #8 (**permalink**) 14-01-2010, 05:00 PM

Mother Nature never listens to statistics!

ChinaBlue · #9 (**permalink**) 14-01-2010, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mellowma

Hello again,

Poppy is getting a big girl now and I am thinking of which stud to take her to.

I love tabbys (as you may know or not) but am finding the genetics/patterns a little bit mind boggling.

I have just about worked out the colours and patterns but I wondered what the percentage would roughly be of tabbies in the litter if I stud her to a tabby boy Poppy is blue mitted the stud in mind is seal carying blue, so they will be blue, I believe and I/she will have mitted, and colourpoint and high mitted but I have no idea of the number of tabbies she may have and how many just blues she will have ?

Or is it pot luck or 50/50 ?

She is a Ragdoll if this helps.

Many thanks for any advice.

Hiya - the owner of the stud boy you have in mind should be able to give you a better idea of what to expect - is the stud a tabby mitted or colourpoint?

Milly22 · #10 (**permalink**) 15-01-2010, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChinaBlue

Hiya - the owner of the stud boy you have in mind should be able to give you a better idea of what to expect - is the stud a tabby mitted or colourpoint?

Mitted tabby, the owner does not know a lot about the ratio of tabby to blue. In fact I don't know what colour Poppy is either I don't know if she has any seal in her so will have to email her owner, I have no idea about seal carrying blue etc back then so did not ask.

I though she was just blue. I think she may be. I am going to print off all the colour charts today.

I am not saying what I would like from the litter because I just know what will happen. I need to stop getting so excited so early in the year!

I could use a bi-colour or a blue colourpoint too stud also.

I adore tabbies.

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