Advice on breeding please

lauraleadale · #1 (**permalink**) 21-12-2009, 12:48 PM

Hi, I have a beautiful white colourpoint persian cross. She is now two years old and has always been a house cat. I would like to let her have one litter of kittens before neutering her and have families waiting for the potential kittens. I am, however, very reticent to let her out to mate with the local tom and wonder whether anyone would let their stud breed with a cross. I am not interested in the paperwork or certificates, just a nice friendly male for my Marsha to breed with.

Saikou · #2 (**permalink**) 21-12-2009, 12:56 PM

It would be hard to find someone, but some pedigree stud owners who will let non ped cats in as long as they are indoor cats and have all the blood tests etc They won't be easy to find though.

Letting a house cat out who will have no street smarts is definitely not advisable, especially in full call where their hormones will override any sense that they have. Couple that with the risks of infection she could pick up from the local tom and its really not worth taking the risk for just one litter.

spid · #3 (**permalink**) 21-12-2009, 12:58 PM

it would be very unusual for an owner of a registered full pedigree to breed with a cross - however, you might find someone. You would need to ask and be prepared for a lot of people to hammer you into the ground for suggesting doing what you are after - (there are plenty of moggies that need homes in shelters etc). As colourpoint is resessive you would be very unlikely to find a moggy tom that carries colourpoint and even if you found a lovely friends tom to use, unless he is a colourpoint too or carries the colourpoint gene (extremely unlikely) the kittens will all be solid colours. Having said that if you have homes ready for the kittens then I don't see a problem other than getting someone to let you use their stud. If you do find a willing soul, your girl will need a blood test to prove she isn't carrying anything nasty.

by the way, what colour is she (i.e what colourpoint colour is she)?

Lycaeus · #4 (**permalink**) 21-12-2009, 12:59 PM

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I would like to let her have one litter of kittens before neutering her

Why?

Cat_Crazy · #5 (**permalink**) 21-12-2009, 01:30 PM

Like other people have said it is VERY unlikely that you will find a stud owner willing to accept your girl.

If you did they would want to know she is an indoor only cat, fully vaccinated, had relevant heath tests and been tested for FIV/FELV, proof of all this must be shown.

Generally however breeders are working to better the breed and there is nothing to improve on from a cross so most will be un-willing to help you.

Do not let her outside to mate, not only do you risk her picking up some nasty diseases but she could also go missing, get stolen or even run over and killed in her search for a mate. It's just not worth it!

Biawhiska · #6 (**permalink**) 21-12-2009, 02:37 PM

If I were in your shoes I would neuter her. Buy yourself a pedigree reg persian and breed properly with a reg stud. Least that way both cats are tested for disease etc... otherwise, get your family and friends to buy their own persians.

lauren001 · #7 (**permalink**) 21-12-2009, 03:13 PM

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I would like to let her have one litter of kittens before neutering her and have families waiting for the potential kittens.

Families waiting for kittens rapidly disappear when kittens are actually on the ground, so don't rely on them wanting your kittens. Friends are happy to coo over kittens and will encourage you, but have their excuses ready when asked to make a commitment, wrong colour, wrong sex, wrong time, just got one from another friend or from rescue, won't get on with the dog/cat/rabbit/guinea pig/toddler, just bought a puppy, holidays coming up, I'm pregnant etc etc..

And as Spid has said the kittens are unlikely to be blue eyed colour points, they will most likely be solid short-haired black/black and white if the local tom has anything to do with it or perhaps tabbies, so any ideas that your friends had of getting this blue-eyed Persian look alike will be gone and you will be left with the kittens. I doubt very much you will persuade any decent breeder to let you have the use of their stud, and you really do not want to be letting your girl get into the hands of the BYB community either.

Remember it is your girl that is putting her life at risk, great if things go well and usually they do, but novice breeders and experienced ones too, no matter how much they research can end up with dead kittens/dead mothers often due mainly to inexperience or the unexpected.

As Biawhiska says "get your family and friends to buy their own Persians."

lizward · #8 (**permalink**) 21-12-2009, 04:38 PM

We get posts like this from time to time and the thing that always amuses me is that the posters never ever say where they are. It does make one rather wonder if they are genuine!

In case you are genuine, you will need to realise that most "we would love to have one of your kittens" comments are nothing more than people admiring your cat, they are rarely genuine. Also you will need to realise that few owners of active register studs will be interested. There are unregistered studs out there whose owners are less fussy, they list their studs on preloved fairly often.

You just might find a stud owner willing to accommodate you for a kitten back, if an outcross with your cat happens to suit their breeding plans, but the odds are not good, and are even lower if you won't say where you live!

Liz

lauraleadale · #9 (**permalink**) 22-12-2009, 09:02 AM

Hi,

I haven't put my location on so far as I am new to this, but I can guarantee that I am genuine and am based in Sheffield. My girl, Marsha is white with blue eyes and ginger tail and ears. She has all vaccinations and bloods in place as I actually bought her two years ago while working abroad and we have both just moved back meaning that she was thoroughly checked by the import authorities. If friends dropped out of wanting kittens (though they know that the kittens may not look like her) I would keep them and love them myself. I do have my gorgeous girls best interests at heart, it's just that after experiencing a litter as a child and it being one of my most wonderful childhood memories, I now would like to do the same. If I can't find aanyone willing then I will not just let her out, she is too important to me. As I said, I'm not so worried about the father's pedigree, just my Marsha's safety.

Saikou · #10 (**permalink**) 22-12-2009, 09:26 AM

If she is part persian she should be tested for PKD as well, if she hasn't already. I think there is a DNA test for that. If she is negative then its best to start phoning round breeders in your area and sound them out. You may find some one who will help you out, but it won't be easy.

Some breeders are open to crosses for various reasons. You never know, you may find a breeder that is interested in widening the gene pool and would be interested in a resulting kitten.

I have a UK Gr Pr oriental black from a breeder who originally started out with a half siamese black kitten, that was supposed to be a boy, but turned out to be a girl. All her grown up children wanted a kitten from her, so the same as you, didn't just want to let her cat out to mate with the local tom so did manage to find a siamese breeder to accept her. They were expecting all black kittens like the Mum, but were surprised with 4 siamese look alikes, not really a surprise considering the genetics, but from that start the breeder got the bug, registered the Mum, and kept back a kitten for breeding. Years and generations later of careful breeding she has a line of show winning pedigree orientals and siamese.

If you do find some one who will accept your girl, be as fussy as the stud owners will be, make sure you visit the premises first and check out the stud, his housing and all his paperwork. You may not be interested in his pedigree, but he should be PKD, FeLV, FIV negative, vaccinations up to date and have appropriate paperwork to prove that.

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