Hello,

I have attached a picture of what I would say is a tabbie mitted ragdoll.

The owner of a cat very like this has a female and I have been to visit her and seen the parents and she came from a blue tabbie bicolour bred with a blue colourpoint boy.

Can this be true?

Can you get a mitted from a bicolour, which she says is a bicolour as Mum is bi-colour and mum was only tabbie there......not a mitted but it has mitts!!!

Can I just add that the breeder has beautiful cats and has had over 11 years experience, which coonfuses me further. Bi-colours need a V don't they ? Or is there a difference with tabbies.

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Yes, I have read this one (any around 500 OTHERS) Spid but even if she was high mitted bicolour she should still have the V on her face (I think).

She looks just like the one I copied from TBRCC. Which to me looks mitted. I wondered if the Tabby/tabbie gene affected the V. I know they have an M (just to confuse matters further) but that's more the pattern (I think) and they should still have a V if at all bi-colour (I think) but my 2/3 year knowledge is nothing to someone of 12/13 years and they are registering her as a Bicolour?

Gawd it's confusing. She is very pretty nonethless. [grin]

The tabby gene shouldn't affect where the colour is just how it is marked - it really is a simple gene - stripes or not stripes - it has no affect on where the colour is.

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Hmmm I wonder why this breeder is determined she is a bicolour ? What would happen if she was registered as a bicolour but she is clearly mitted ?

I found this -

Pattern Prediction Simplified
Parents Kittens
Mitted x Mitted 1/2 mitted, 1/4 colorpoint, 1/4 high mitted
Mitted x Colorpoint 1/2 mitted, 1/2 colorpoint
Mitted x Bicolor 1/4 colorpoint, 1/4 bicolor, 1/4 mitted, 1/4 mid-high white
Colorpoint x Colorpoint all kittens are colorpoints
Colorpoint x Bicolor 1/2 colorpoint, 1/2 bicolor
Bicolor x Bicolor 1/4 colorpoint, 1/2 bicolor, 1/4 high white

I have to say I don't know what makes a bi-colour and what doesn't so can't help you on that one.

EDIT: been researching and it looks like for a bi-colour you have to have a V on the face - so if this girl (I assume you are thinking of buying her) doesn't have a V she can't be bi-colour (from what I have gleaned so far). Bi-colours should also have all white legs - so if she has mitts then again she can't be a bi-colour. I'd be wary about this kitten. SOunds like the breeder doesn't know what she is talking about - you need to talk to her lots and see whenre she is getting her colours from - maybe she doesn't really know who the father is and is guessing at one of her lads. And from her mum and dad you can't get a mitted and so it looks like she is trying to cover something up - walk away lassie, walk away.

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Yes, it does sound a bit dodgy doesn't it.

You can have high white "bi-colours" - these cats appear to be true bi-colours but when mated to a colourpoint, will only produce mitted or colourpoints. It is easy to mistake one for the other - the breeder could have bred/purchased this cat as a bi-colour and not know any different until she bred from her. Well marked bi-colours have the inverted V on their faces regardless of colour or overlay (ie tabby).

I'd put money on her (mum) being a high white and not a bi-colour - the kitten therefore being a mitted. Does the kitten have the white chin?

I have terrible "brain fog" today, so if what i've posted makes no sense at all - i apologise lol.

Ah no that makes sense, that could explain it. They were determined Mum was Bicolour. I suppose she could give me mitted and bicolours though. Hmm Will go and read more. Perhaps I shouldn't have emailed them so quickly stating she was deffo mitted.

But she isn't she ? Even if Mum was high white ? if she has mitts and the white chin she is mitted even if her mum is a bicolour ? Surely. I am certain they are registering her as bicolour. I wonder if this can be changed.

My brain is also foggy with this. I have tooked at way too many Ragdolls in the last few days now.

Yes mid white bicolour = 1/2mitted 1/2 bicolour. Sh*t! I will email them again, possibly.

Did you see any of the other litter? Or maybe kittens from her previous litter if the stud was colourpoint?

If she had a mixed litter of mitted and bi-colour (no colourpoints) mum would be a mid high white. If mum is a high mitted, all babies would be mitted. If mum were a mid high bi-colour, all babies would be bi colour.

So mum (i think) is high mitted OR mid high white. If mum is registered as a bi-colour with the GCCF, her kittens would have to be registered as colourpoints or bi-colours (maybe the reason shes insisting the kitten is reg as bi-colour?). Do you have a copy of the kittens pedigree with colour codes such as 66 (sealpoint)? It should be easy enough to work out where the confusion came from with a little "digging".