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Old 29-04-2008, 11:20 AM
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Re: Kittens leaving mummy - how many weeks?

There is no way i would let any kitten go before 13weeks of age, reg or unreg.
yes by all means take the kittens away from mum from time to time when they reach 9wks so she gets a gd rest from them and gets used to them not being with her all the time, I think it does the kittens gd to be away from mum as well @ times,
As for your Vet, he obvioulsy dont know much about pedigree cats as they all differ in maturing, SO the 13 week rule should apply!
But every one is differnt and have different veiws,
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Old 29-04-2008, 11:30 AM
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Re: Kittens leaving mummy - how many weeks?

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Unless a vet is specialised (eg. cardiologist), then take his advice as you would a GP. The vets can advise on this fact, that fact, and the other fact - but they're not trained in behaviour - that takes an observer (the breeder).

My experience has been varied. I stick to the 13 week rule (though this is sometimes by shortened by a couple of days to help the new owner out if the 13 weeks falls just after a weekend).
I'm sat here with seven Bengal kittens on my lap. Three of them are nine weeks old and there's no way I would rehome them. Bengals are mucky buggers. These guys are covered in food and poo (and yes, they are sitting on me!) and look a state. They haven't learnt to clean themselves properly yet and their mucky habits can lead to bouts of the runs.

We also have two eight week old Abyssinians. Their cleaning and litter box behaviour is impeccable. They don't seem to want a warm lap to sit on -they're too busy 'killing' everything in sight. Disregarding the injections side of things, these two would be able to go to a new home with no problems at all.

When it comes to leaving mum I also have different views than other posters.
Our kittens leave their mums when they want to - or when mum wants to leave them.
We have a mother who gives birth to wonderful show quality kittens, but is trying to get rid of them after five weeks. Six weeks is tops. If she is shut in a pen with them she howls to get out and turns her back on them. Then she will pace around the pen trilling at them to try to get them out. I see this as her trying to 'force' them to be independant. She has had two litters and has done it with both. She will get into the pen filled with milk but will refuse to feed her kittens. I can't say her kittens are bothered at this point though - as they're usually early weaners.
Keeping a mum with their kittens for the full 13 weeks just isn't done here - I haven't got a mum that is that maternal - or kittens that are that needy. Once the kittens are weaned they are looking to us for warmth and cuddles.

Finally - we did have a woman come round to look at our Abyssinians - twice. Second time she brought her husband with her, who whipped out his stephoscope and started inspecting the kittens. My husband was most surprised. It turned out the husband was a vet, but they didn't ask permission to do it. This same woman had asked that she take our Abys home at the age of five weeks, stating that she was a qualified veterinarian nurse which meant they would be in 'safe hands'.

The arrogance of these people can be amazing, so once again I would say when it comes to rehoming, take the vet's advice with a pinch of salt.
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Old 29-04-2008, 12:42 PM
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Re: Kittens leaving mummy - how many weeks?

This is an interesting thread. We are looking after a mum (who I desperately want to keep and am pestering hubby to this end) who has 4 kittens and the Cats Protection League are helping us. They asked if we would be happy to keep the kittens until they were 8 / 9 weeks before the started to rehome them, which I was happy with.

Nala is being an excellent mum but I do worry about her as she was thin when she arrived at our door and gave birth 3 weeks later. For her I think if the kittens were with her longer than the 8/9 weeks it would take too much out of her.
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Nala is being an excellent mum but I do worry about her as she was thin when she arrived at our door and gave birth 3 weeks later. For her I think if the kittens were with her longer than the 8/9 weeks it would take too much out of her.
It might stress her out more if you took the kittens away. It's probably best just to make sure she, and the kittens, get plenty of regular meals and she'll probably let you know when she's had enough.

I wouldn't let kittens go before the 13 weeks, firstly as that's what's recommended but mainly because they bring so much enjoyment

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Re: Kittens leaving mummy - how many weeks?

It has already been said that cat's all mature differently and maybe it is appropriate with some kittens / breeds and not others.

My vet has said to me it would do my kittens no harm or disadvantage to go to their new home (assuming the new owner vaccinates the kitten) at 8-9 weeks - he has also said that when all the kittens leave overnight this would be stressful for mum and it is better to stagger it over weeks.

I have decided to stick with the 13 week rule - not because i do not believe the vet but because a breeder gains a reputation and following advice laid out by the GCCF is obviously highly recommended - BUT that doesn't mean the vet is wrong.
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Re: Kittens leaving mummy - how many weeks?

Your said it emajhall -assuming the new families vaccinate-as for stressing mum out if they all go at once-dunno if it's the same for your gals-but ours aren't bothered at all-too busy thinking about and calling out for boysBut have to say i'm glad they're sticking with you-they're great fun to have around and it gives you as a breeder as well as a slave a chance to watch how they differ in development and type etc
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Re: Kittens leaving mummy - how many weeks?

My experience has been the same as Kelly's. I don't know whether it's just a fluke, but my girls are just horny girls. They do their job - and no more (and sometimes less!). There's no lingering goodbyes - they don't pine over their kitties. Most actively avoid them at nine weeks old (and one of them at only five weeks, as I said earlier).

This has been the same for our Bengals (which is by far the majority of our cats), our Russian Blues and our Abys.

Perhaps it's something in our water.

We have to be careful not to anthromorphosise. Cats aren't people. I haven't seen a mum get stressed out by separation yet. Perhaps it's just the breeds I have here, but they're all perfect mums.. and perfect women for our studs. Once the kittens are independant they don't want to know.
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Re: Kittens leaving mummy - how many weeks?

We have to be careful not to anthromorphosise. Cats aren't people. I haven't seen a mum get stressed out by separation yet. Perhaps it's just the breeds I have here, but they're all perfect mums.. and perfect women for our studs. Once the kittens are independant they don't want to know.
Exactly-but whats that massive word anthromorphosise mean(just about say it-but i had to think about it) maybe it is our water-might try some meself
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Re: Kittens leaving mummy - how many weeks?

You are most likely right - i have my first 2 litters still with me at the moment so i don't have any experience of how mummy will react when they are gone but i hope you are right.
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Re: Kittens leaving mummy - how many weeks?

pmsl, yes Nicola have you swollowed a dictionary today, we don't know what that word means doh!
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